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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    The Iraq of 2008 was much different than what we see today. And Obama has known and done nothing about ISIS for years.
    Lmao, you keep making it up as you go. It's not helping you. No no, you said there was peace in Iraq and Obama lost it. That is demonstrably false. Almost 1,000 police officers were killed in the country as well as 8,000 civilians. Hell, even by conservative estimates 2008 was as violent as 2003 (the year the war began). So again - WHERE WAS THIS PEACE?

    https://www.iraqbodycount.org/analys...rs/surge-2008/

    Deaths are unchangeable facts of history whose number can only be cumulative. For as long as conflict related deadly violence persists in Iraq, more lives and more families will be added to its toll of victims. Thus, “fewer victims than in 2007” is an abstraction imposed by a frame of measurement: the stark reality is that some 9,000 more Iraqi civilians have had their lives violently cut short since the end of 2007, most of them anonymously and with little public recognition.
    IBC is a conservative estimate of the death toll. Hell, even the media has compared 2014 to 2008 in terms of violence:

    Iraq suffers its deadliest year since 2008 | World news | The Guardian

    The UN said 7,818 civilians died last year. The total including members of the Iraqi security forces surged to 8,868, with 759 people killed in December alone.
    You made a claim, now you're struggling to back it up. Stop it. There hasn't been any tangible sense of peace in Iraq in 12 years. Please stop making up claims that can be proven false with a little research?
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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    How soon some forget history..
    Remember Al-Maliki calling for us to get out of his country? Remember the Iraqi Parliament vote? Also ISIS (formally known as Al-Qaeda in Iraq) was formed in 2004.

    Then there was Maliki returning in 2013 requesting aid and also informing BO as to ISIL in Iraq and Syria. Also you forgot to mention that BO and Team wanted Iraq to shut down what the Iranians were shipping out to Assad and Hezbollah. Which it wasn't just Maliki that wanted to take no part of that. Sistani and Al Sadr dominated over that move with the Shia and the Iranians.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    You just blamed this on Bush. Tell us more about propaganda.
    Nope. I blamed the rise of ISIS on our foreign policy. Blame lies on many peoples shoulders, not just one. I however rest the "blame" for the pull out to how it happened.


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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    probably when it was likely that an islamic caliphate marauding through syria and iraq would be difficult to fathom. instead we supported the arab spring.... and got the troops out, giving the islamic fascists exactly what they wanted, and had planned for since 9/11
    I suggest the point is that it should NOT have been so difficult to fathom.

    It was though, by an administration that wanted to believe it's own press, that Arab Spring was a good thing, and that Islam now loved America because a Nobel Prize winner had said "we're sorry" with practiced sincerity. Iraq was nowhere stable, but Obama pinned his re-election on the still promise of Obamacare, which he knew as defective, and his appeasement of Islam was working.

    Clearly it wasn't and now more people have to die.
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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Then there was Maliki returning in 2013 requesting aid and also informing BO as to ISIL in Iraq and Syria.
    Ok... So?

    Also you forgot to mention that BO and Team wanted Iraq to shut down what the Iranians were shipping out to Assad and Hezbollah. Which it wasn't just Maliki that wanted to take no part of that. Sistani and Al Sadr dominated over that move with the Shia and the Iranians.
    What?


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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    ISIS broke Iraq, Obama let it happen.
    Bush broke Iraq, if Saddam was still there, there would be no ISIS.


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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Libertie76 View Post
    When is the job done in Korea Japan Germany and Italy?
    When it suits us. But these weren't the same type of enemy (ideological yes, but not as fanatical and not willing to continue the fight covertly) and even after WW2 we had the cold war to fight.

    Frankly a limited military presence around the world, which keeps our interests protected (as well as the worlds, we "mow the grass") is a good thing. Look at the size of our military, we aren't geared up like we were.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Huh. Odd how that decision came just after the election, eh?
    In an unprecedented move the Democrats attempt to minimize political damage on themselves.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Tell us more about propaganda.
    Also what "propaganda". You keep on bringing up this "propaganda"? I guess history is all "propaganda" to you.


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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Bush broke Iraq, if Saddam was still there, there would be no ISIS.
    Interesting that you know history that never happened, but I will play.
    If Saddam hadn't invaded Kuwait, and then repeatedly violated the terms of the ceasefire, his second cervical vertebrae wouldn't have been fractured.

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