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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I dont think Romney would have left Iraq to the wolves like Obama did. We will never know though.
    Romney/Obama discuss it here. News Obama Romney argue over Iraq Status of Forces Agreement - YouTube

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    We haven't used enough force to decisively win anything since the Gulf War. As long as the Iraq situation keeps morphing into new enemies, we'll have to call it an open ended mess.
    It seems that US forces, apart from Shock and Awe and the Surges, have been too soft on their enemies. Every war should be Shock and Awe and a constant Surge otherwise the problems will just continue, as we have seen. If the aim isn't to win then it's best to just let it alone.

    Now the country has three retreats from war zones (Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq) with nothing to show for it and the enemies know it. The enemy, despite being terrorist thugs, can also win propaganda wars. That a US President would actually release terrorist leaders would not have been imagined all that long ago.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It's hard to say what Romney would have done. Unfortunately, the election was what it was. I think a lot of things would have gone better, but Iraq would still have been in chaos.

    Just my opinion, of course. There is no way to know what if.
    Iraq was not in chaos when Bush left office and Obama took over. That occurred only after Obama pulled the troops.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It seems that US forces, apart from Shock and Awe and the Surges, have been too soft on their enemies. Every war should be Shock and Awe and a constant Surge otherwise the problems will just continue, as we have seen. If the aim isn't to win then it's best to just let it alone.

    Now the country has three retreats from war zones (Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq) with nothing to show for it and the enemies know it. The enemy, despite being terrorist thugs, can also win propaganda wars. That a US President would actually release terrorist leaders would not have been imagined all that long ago.
    This PR/political approach of looking like liberators, and fighting with one hand behind our back does not work. Leadership is so afraid of initial costs, global opinion, collateral damage and other factors that they cause the very things they're worrying about.

    Our supporting of the Arab Spring is one of the stupidest things, besides invading Iraq that we've done. By taking out stable leaders, infrastructure and controls, we've opened up many surrounding countries to terrorism. The world was much better off with those areas contained.
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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    This PR/political approach of looking like liberators, and fighting with one hand behind our back does not work. Leadership is so afraid of initial costs, global opinion, collateral damage and other factors that they cause the very things they're worrying about.

    Our supporting of the Arab Spring is one of the stupidest things, besides invading Iraq that we've done. By taking out stable leaders, infrastructure and controls, we've opened up many surrounding countries to terrorism. The world was much better off with those areas contained.
    Yes, there is no clear policy for the middle east, certainly none has been articulated, and there are no strong leaders on th side of the democracies. Our hardest fought battles are against those who would dare be politically incorrect.

    Terrorists can rape, sell schoolchildren, murder entire families and behead anyone they choose yet something like Abu Ghraib, where no one was even injured, will stay in the headlines for years. It seems that celebrities, not adults, are running the country.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    We haven't used enough force to decisively win anything since the Gulf War. As long as the Iraq situation keeps morphing into new enemies, we'll have to call it an open ended mess.
    And thats another aspect of this, its getting worse, and fast.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Really it was just Romney discussing SOFA and Obama making excuses, what a mess it ended up being. I think Romney would have stayed until the job was done. Obama left Iraq to the wolves for politics. And now look whats happened.

    Nothing definitive will happen while he' in office unless he's made to respond.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It seems that US forces, apart from Shock and Awe and the Surges, have been too soft on their enemies. Every war should be Shock and Awe and a constant Surge otherwise the problems will just continue, as we have seen. If the aim isn't to win then it's best to just let it alone.

    Now the country has three retreats from war zones (Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq) with nothing to show for it and the enemies know it. The enemy, despite being terrorist thugs, can also win propaganda wars. That a US President would actually release terrorist leaders would not have been imagined all that long ago.
    Exactly, we ALWAYS fight with one hand tied behind our back. And while we may not be a weak nation, even if we do withdraw-that isn't what matters-what MATTERS is what our enemy thinks-and they think we will cut and run-announcing the pull out date no less.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Dems want to give my money to lazy welfare recipients and Repubs want to send my money to the Middle East to fix their third world problems which are unfixable. God bless America.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Leeburte View Post
    Dems want to give my money to lazy welfare recipients and Repubs want to send my money to the Middle East to fix their third world problems which are unfixable. God bless America.
    That isn't an accurate statement. Repubs don't give a damn about fixing third world. We want to make money off of it.
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