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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Well, there is always preemption.
    There is, but you're assuming that they don't actually have a bomb, but haven't had a public test yet. Again, the Israel example - it's widely assumed that they have the capability, but haven't "officially" tested anything yet.


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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya Grant. Not to mention, I already linked why the Sunni are abandoning the Coalition. Then there is al Sadr and the Shia doing whatever al Sistani wants. Which they have been going after Sunni and ISIS. Although, moreso just Sunni In Baghdad. Which doesn't count our other Sunni allies that do not trust BO and his Team. Like the Saudi and Qataris to name a couple.
    I always admire your posts, MMC, because you understand so much of the details, the ins and outs, that can be complicated to those who are only looking at the overall picture.

    It is not just the Sunnis who don't trust Obama, it is our traditional Allies as well. Calling Netanyahu "chicken****"?? This is teenage trash talk unbefitting a serious word power and its leadership. And of course we should remember Obama's insults against the British. I know it's been said before but Obama does seem to give more respect to Americans enemies than its Allies.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    An honest debate would be one in which we recognized that the agreement to withdraw troops was one that Bush signed on to.
    Yes, we know. We know about SOFA. There is no debate about Bush signing SOFA. Can we end this now?

    However you do not seem to understand that the SOF Agreements, and there are over 80 of them in existence right now, are always renegotiated regularly. They all have an expiration date in order that any troubling issues can be discussed and agreed to. This is normal, just as was the one in Iraq.
    Obama went through with America's promise and made good on our word as a nation.
    First be clear that it was Obama's promise, not that of the Bush Administration, the CIA or the military. It was all Obama. You can ask yourself, perhaps, whether Obama withdrew the troops because he had to, because he promised to, or that Maliki gave him his marching orders. Which do you think it is?
    I can't help but think that if he hadn't, you'd be leading the chorus denouncing him.
    I cannot help with what you think, understand, or opine. I'm only interested in the circumstances in Iraq at the time they took place and the disaster we have there now. Unlike his supporters I have no emotional investment in Barrack Obama. He is just another politician as far as I'm concerned.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    There is, but you're assuming that they don't actually have a bomb, but haven't had a public test yet. Again, the Israel example - it's widely assumed that they have the capability, but haven't "officially" tested anything yet.
    I have less of a problem with Israel than Iran. In the case of Iran the threat to us is substantial and the impact on proliferation is certain.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yes, we know. We know about SOFA. There is no debate about Bush signing SOFA. Can we end this now?

    However you do not seem to understand that the SOF Agreements, and there are over 80 of them in existence right now, are always renegotiated regularly. They all have an expiration date in order that any troubling issues can be discussed and agreed to. This is normal, just as was the one in Iraq.
    The Iraqis had zero interest in renegotiating at that point. So assuming that there wouldn't be one going forward, which is a fairly safe assumption, then what?

    First be clear that it was Obama's promise, not that of the Bush Administration, the CIA or the military. It was all Obama. You can ask yourself, perhaps, whether Obama withdrew the troops because he had to, because he promised to, or that Maliki gave him his marching orders. Which do you think it is?
    A little bit of column A, a little bit of column B. He promised to, and had to.


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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I always admire your posts, MMC, because you understand so much of the details, the ins and outs, that can be complicated to those who are only looking at the overall picture.

    It is not just the Sunnis who don't trust Obama, it is our traditional Allies as well. Calling Netanyahu "chicken****"?? This is teenage trash talk unbefitting a serious word power and its leadership. And of course we should remember Obama's insults against the British. I know it's been said before but Obama does seem to give more respect to Americans enemies than its Allies.

    Thanks Grant......That's the one thing this country has been lacking under BO and his Team.....and whats worse it isn't just being proven to us. It is being validated to other World Leaders. Which it will later be validated by History.

    Still.....I do give TDS a lot of credit as for a young guy. He is up on a lot of Foreign policy not like many nowadays. It is; where the Big boys play, that affects Everyone's daily lives. Whether they know it or not.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I have less of a problem with Israel than Iran. In the case of Iran the threat to us is substantial and the impact on proliferation is certain.
    I agree that Israel isn't anywhere close to the problem Iran is from an American perspective. I do, however, think that there's a fairly good probability that Iran has stolen a page from Israel's playbook as far as nukes are concerned.


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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I agree that Israel isn't anywhere close to the problem Iran is from an American perspective. I do, however, think that there's a fairly good probability that Iran has stolen a page from Israel's playbook as far as nukes are concerned.
    All the more reason to do the nastiness now and not wait till their intercontinental delivery is in place.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    The Iraqis had zero interest in renegotiating at that point.
    What evidence do you have of this? "Zero interest"? Are you quite sure of this claim?
    So assuming that there wouldn't be one going forward, which is a fairly safe assumption, then what?
    Why would you male that assumption??
    A little bit of column A, a little bit of column B. He promised to, and had to.
    He didn't "have to" do anything. Again, all the advice was against what he decided. And please get serious about Barrack Obama's "promises". We both should understand their worth.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yes, we know. We know about SOFA. There is no debate about Bush signing SOFA. Can we end this now?

    However you do not seem to understand that the SOF Agreements, and there are over 80 of them in existence right now, are always renegotiated regularly. They all have an expiration date in order that any troubling issues can be discussed and agreed to. This is normal, just as was the one in Iraq.
    First be clear that it was Obama's promise, not that of the Bush Administration, the CIA or the military. It was all Obama. You can ask yourself, perhaps, whether Obama withdrew the troops because he had to, because he promised to, or that Maliki gave him his marching orders. Which do you think it is?
    I cannot help with what you think, understand, or opine. I'm only interested in the circumstances in Iraq at the time they took place and the disaster we have there now. Unlike his supporters I have no emotional investment in Barrack Obama. He is just another politician as far as I'm concerned.

    The one thing I have a problem with is, all using the excuse that Maliki was weak. Yet here was a weak leader and a weak government, with weak Armed Forces.....and yet we couldn't get them to agree to our terms for a SOFA. Here BO and his team couldn't find a way to use all their Elite liberal mannerisms and get this weak Leader and Weak government to come to terms with a deal.

    Yet it was BO's own people who said that BO and Team didn't like Maliki......that he didn't care for Maliki like he didn't care for Karzi.

    Now you know, there was a model that BO could have followed. I believe the Sicilians perfected it with those they don't like. Note: it was called Strictly Business.




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