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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    ...Said Obama to the mirror.
    I love it. I provide sources of people in their own words, and a clear historical outline of what happened. Then you just say "nauh! Its all Obama's fault! Its propaganda".


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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Serious question for those who say we pulled out too early and/or pulled out irresponsibly: When would be a good time? Or, phrased differently, do you honestly see a point where we would have ever "won" and thus been able to pull out responsibly?

    I don't. Maybe you do, and if so, please tell us how and when.
    There are numerous factors here, but the short answer is we should have stayed as long as it takes, a small force for 20 years+, in light of the realities there. We still have a presence in Germany, Italy, Japan, Korea.

    Frankly many of the issues are generational and not likely to subside overnight. You stay until the job is done, not until a date you announce to your enemies.

    These terrorists think we dont have the resolve and that if they out wait us, or bloody our nose that we will leave-and have said as much. Note that this isn't different from what the left wants to do.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Obama's Iraq is coming home to roost. More troops tk, and 5 billion dollars. And its transparently clear that he didn't want this announcement made until after the elections, this allowed him to avoid the headlines on tuesday, and appear to be working with republicans today (to clean up his own mess).
    Obama didn't break Iraq.

    We will never get out of there completely.
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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    How soon some forget history..
    Remember Al-Maliki calling for us to get out of his country? Remember the Iraqi Parliament vote? Also ISIS (formally known as Al-Qaeda in Iraq) was formed in 2004.
    Indeed. This is the result of Obama's inability, and some say lack of commitment and prioritization of, achieving a Status Of Forces agreement with Maliki.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Maliki wanted a minimum of 10K troops left behind in Iraq. The President told him he was on his own. Witness the results of the "not our problem" foreign policy.
    I seem to recall this.

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Obama wanted the headline of "ending the war in Iraq", and he was willing to get that by leaving Iraq to ISIS. Iraq wanted us there, Obama wanted us out. This is the result. As disturbing, he now wants to do the same in Afghanistan.
    Umm, already has to some extent. I don't believe that the US have a Status Of Forces agreement with the Afghans, so likely the same series of events. Another failure of Obama's.
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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    There are numerous factors here, but the short answer is we should have stayed as long as it takes, a small force for 20 years+, in light of the realities there. We still have a presence in Germany, Italy, Japan, Korea.

    Frankly many of the issues are generational and not likely to subside overnight. You stay until the job is done, not until a date you announce to your enemies.

    These terrorists think we dont have the resolve and that if they out wait us, or bloody our nose that we will leave-and have said as much. Note that this isn't different from what the left wants to do.
    When is the job done in Korea Japan Germany and Italy?

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    probably when it was likely that an islamic caliphate marauding through syria and iraq would be difficult to fathom. instead we supported the arab spring.... and got the troops out, giving the islamic fascists exactly what they wanted, and had planned for since 9/11
    A destabilized region with a power vacuum and lots of well armed and experienced islamists. Apparently Obama saw no problems with this.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by d0gbreath View Post
    Obama didn't break Iraq.
    Saddam broke Iraq, via genocide, mass slaughters and institutional rape.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I love it. I provide sources of people in their own words, and a clear historical outline of what happened. Then you just say "nauh! Its all Obama's fault! Its propaganda".
    You just blamed this on Bush. Tell us more about propaganda.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by d0gbreath View Post
    Obama didn't break Iraq.

    We will never get out of there completely.
    ISIS broke Iraq, Obama let it happen.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Indeed. This is the result of Obama's inability, and some say lack of commitment and prioritization of, achieving a Status Of Forces agreement with Maliki.
    Or it was just an impossibility. The Iraqi government telling us to kick rocks, and the Iraqi government not granting legal immunity to troops stationed there...


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