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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Ok.... Point being?


    He was fighting ISIS which was in his state...



    Seriously? You are going to claim that choices, decisions, and policies have not caused a blowback?


    Where did I said it excused it? I simply said trying to pin this all on one person is very simplistic.


    Did I anywhere emply that?


    What? That this is more than just one mans fault? I think many experts carry that narrative.


    As I stated Bush does carry partially the blame. All of it? No. A lot of it, yes.


    By constantly occupying their country? Sounds like Oceania is going to be in constant war with Eurasia again..

    Point being, it goes back to others making attacks after AQ was unable to operate as a force under Bush Junior.....wherein they reconstructed themselves and grew in numbers under BO and his Team Policy and the way they dealt with Iraq in concept, and in reality. Then they became ISIL and now ISIS or Islamic State.

    This was AQ and our Enemy. Once BO dropped the ball on the SOFA.....he rolled up most intel that we had going in Iraq.

    Now the Islamic State is in Africa with a whole new city to play with. Surrounded by those that will join with them. They have expanded to Asia and they are growing and taking in more fighters every week.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/africa...ate-group.html

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I suggested you use your own words. If that's a problem for you, don't bother.
    Sources offered that disprove your stance are just "silly links". We got it.


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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Sources offered that disprove your stance are just "silly links". We got it.
    They are opinion pieces not based on fact. You actually should read your own links before you post them.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Point being, it goes back to others making attacks after AQ was unable to operate as a force under Bush Junior...
    Except as I proved earlier they were able to operate....

    ..wherein they reconstructed themselves and grew in numbers under BO and his Team Policy and the way they dealt with Iraq in concept, and in reality. Then they became ISIL and now ISIS or Islamic State.
    They did grow that is correct.

    This was AQ and our Enemy. Once BO dropped the ball on the SOFA.....he rolled up most intel that we had going in Iraq.
    Did he drop the ball or did Maliki and the Iraqi Parilament drop the ball? I think as links I provided earlier prove that it was mostly Maliki and the Iraqi Parliament.


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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    They are opinion pieces not based on fact. You actually should read your own links before you post them.
    Actually none of them were opinion pieces...


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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Point being, it goes back to others making attacks after AQ was unable to operate as a force under Bush Junior.....wherein they reconstructed themselves and grew in numbers under BO and his Team Policy and the way they dealt with Iraq in concept, and in reality. Then they became ISIL and now ISIS or Islamic State.

    This was AQ and our Enemy. Once BO dropped the ball on the SOFA.....he rolled up most intel that we had going in Iraq.

    Now the Islamic State is in Africa with a whole new city to play with. Surrounded by those that will join with them. They have expanded to Asia and they are growing and taking in more fighters every week.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/africa...ate-group.html
    Spot on again, MMC.

    Those who believe that they can end a war just by withdrawing are more than a little foolish as the war will eventually come to them. Obama didn't end any war because, clearly, that is not up to one side to determine.

    The islamist terrorists are obviously more determined to win the struggle moreso than the democracies, at least at this moment, and a great deal more violence and death will be done before all of this is finally brought to a close. And, as Bush said, it will take years of struggle, not simply a withdrawal of troops from Iraq.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Except as I proved earlier they were able to operate....


    They did grow that is correct.


    Did he drop the ball or did Maliki and the Iraqi Parilament drop the ball? I think as links I provided earlier prove that it was mostly Maliki and the Iraqi Parliament.
    Earlier, I proved they were strategically defeated and with their own words and saying they withdrew. Which we went around with how they were able to still get off attacks in Iraq coming thru Syria. As one the one place they were mainly coming from.

    BO sending aid late was to try and contain ISIS. It's clear that containment failed.

    Iraqis Forces weren't capable of handling ISIS on their own. Which is the Assessment of the Pentagon. Not militarily nor politically. Not even with a Unified Government.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Spot on again, MMC.

    Those who believe that they can end a war just by withdrawing are more than a little foolish as the war will eventually come to them. Obama didn't end any war because, clearly, that is not up to one side to determine.

    The islamist terrorists are obviously more determined to win the struggle moreso than the democracies, at least at this moment, and a great deal more violence and death will be done before all of this is finally brought to a close. And, as Bush said, it will take years of struggle, not simply a withdrawal of troops from Iraq.


    Heya Grant. Not to mention, I already linked why the Sunni are abandoning the Coalition. Then there is al Sadr and the Shia doing whatever al Sistani wants. Which they have been going after Sunni and ISIS. Although, moreso just Sunni In Baghdad.

    Which doesn't count our other Sunni allies that do not trust BO and his Team. Like the Saudi and Qataris to name a couple.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yes, that is how things are done in Washington but we are not in Washington and should be able to recognize what really went on, if we want to participate in an honest debate..
    An honest debate would be one in which we recognized that the agreement to withdraw troops was one that Bush signed on to. Obama went through with America's promise and made good on our word as a nation.

    I can't help but think that if he hadn't, you'd be leading the chorus denouncing him.


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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Earlier, I proved they were strategically defeated and with their own words and saying they withdrew. Which we went around with how they were able to still get off attacks in Iraq coming thru Syria. As one the one place they were mainly coming from.
    Being able to lunch high staked attacks "was strategically defeated"?

    BO sending aid late was to try and contain ISIS. It's clear that containment failed.

    Iraqis Forces weren't capable of handling ISIS on their own. Which is the Assessment of the Pentagon. Not militarily nor politically. Not even with a Unified Government.
    So you think we should go back into Iraq, and be in direct combat with them?


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