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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    You claimed earlier that AQ left Iraq and "military experts" agreed with that opinion. However none of the "sources" you just provided backed that stance. Instead all it said was they were pushed out of Baghdad and were regrouping...


    This source also just says many in AQ regrouped under a new leader and a new name in 2006...



    We will leave Iraq a better place - British general
    Commander claims defeat of al-Qaida and dawn of democracy
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    American generals have said al-Qaida was strategically defeated in Iraq following the troop surge of late 2007.....

    Cooper would not go that far, but said: "Al-Qaida had been here in significant numbers and hopefully their aims and objectives have been denied to them. The lesson that I draw from this is that an organisation like al-Qaida that purports to represent the people and then targets them will never take the people with them. They have suffered significant reverses and their ability to operate and target civilians has been diminished.

    "Their organisational ability has been greatly reduced. Their ability to communicate through the internet has been taken from them and so has their ability to finance themselves. Effectively the size of their networks has been much reduced......snip~

    We will leave Iraq a better place - British general | World news | The Guardian


    Strategically defeated so says US Generals.....reduced says the Brit. Yeah like reduced to damn near nothing, thanks to the Sunni. Even with AQ admitting losing 90% of operational ability in Iraq.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    So if a Baathist had been elected, Bush would have just said "OK, fine?"
    No, but do you think you could have come up with some other Sunni ally?

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    The thing you people fail to understand is that there are SEVERAL rival groups in Iraq. All of which are fighting each other. They will not stop fighting each other until the other groups are completely gone, or their group is in power and suppressing the other groups. Its a civil war between different sects of Islam. You can get rid of AQ and you still have not solved the problem there.
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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    We will leave Iraq a better place - British general
    Commander claims defeat of al-Qaida and dawn of democracy
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    American generals have said al-Qaida was strategically defeated in Iraq following the troop surge of late 2007.....

    Cooper would not go that far, but said: "Al-Qaida had been here in significant numbers and hopefully their aims and objectives have been denied to them. The lesson that I draw from this is that an organisation like al-Qaida that purports to represent the people and then targets them will never take the people with them. They have suffered significant reverses and their ability to operate and target civilians has been diminished.

    "Their organisational ability has been greatly reduced. Their ability to communicate through the internet has been taken from them and so has their ability to finance themselves. Effectively the size of their networks has been much reduced......snip~

    We will leave Iraq a better place - British general | World news | The Guardian


    Strategically defeated so says US Generals.....reduced says the Brit. Yeah like reduced to damn near nothing, thanks to the Sunni. Even with AQ admitting losing 90% of operational ability in Iraq.
    "Cooper would not go that far,". Moral of the story is this, they were not drawn out of Iraq. Were they reduced? Yes. However in 2006 some left AQ and joined ISIL/ISIS/Whatever the **** they called themselves then. They regrouped, continued to attack during that time period. They were never drawn out of Iraq (which you claimed earlier).


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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    No, but do you think you could have come up with some other Sunni ally?
    Since most of the Sunnis in Iraq that had governing expierance were members of the Baathist regime, our options were next to nothing.
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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    "Cooper would not go that far,". Moral of the story is this, they were not drawn out of Iraq. Were they reduced? Yes. However in 2006 some left AQ and joined ISIL/ISIS/Whatever the **** they called themselves then. They regrouped, continued to attack during that time period. They were never drawn out of Iraq (which you claimed earlier).
    Strategically defeated unable to operate. With AQ admitting having to leave areas. New Growth.....and before AQ Prime rejected ISIL. Shows it for what it is TDS.

    I am sure some still lived there.....but then the Invisible Sheik did talk about their return. Which all that growth happened when, again? How did that happen again?

    When did AQ increase in numbers? On who's watch? Who knew about the former Leader TDS of AQ, in Iraq?

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Since most of the Sunnis in Iraq that had governing expierance were members of the Baathist regime, our options were next to nothing.
    Really, what happen to the Sunni leaders, Rafie al-Essawi, the former Iraqi Finance Minister, and Ahmed al-Alwani, a prominent Sunni leader and a former lawmaker.

    Are you sure we wouldn't have wanted to back one of them?

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Strategically defeated unable to operate. With AQ admitting having to leave areas. New Growth.....and before AQ Prime rejected ISIL. Shows it for what it is TDS.
    Unable to operate? Tell that to the 583 people who were killed by AQ attacks after this article was published. Tell that to over 1,000 people who were injured from AQ terrorist attacks after this article was published.
    I also find it kind of ironic that the article you just posted was posted because all coalition forces were leaving Iraq soon, and they were calling it basically a victory, yet you have been on here saying coalition forces leaving Iraq was not a victory but was terrible and its all "BO"'s fault...
    I am sure some still lived there.....but then the Invisible Sheik did talk about their return. Which all that growth happened when, again? How did that happen again?
    How did it happen? Regrouping, followed by the Syrian Civil War.

    When did AQ increase in numbers?
    A great variety of reasons. No Sunni representation in the Iraqi government, radicalization because of the Syrian Civil War, failure of the Iraqi military, long term effects of destabilization in the region, and long term effects of the war in Iraq.

    On who's watch? Who knew about the former Leader TDS of AQ, in Iraq?
    Malikis, the US, the UK's, the Iranians, the "coalition of the willing".

    Again I posted this earlier in response to US Conservative's quote: "The problem with this is you and many people here are thinking I am analyzing this as a Obama and Republican issue. I am not. I am saying this (ISIS being created, and the extreme destabilization in the region) is the result of a combination of factors, not just one man..."


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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Iraq was pretty stable in 2003 compared to now, same with Syria.
    No, it was not 'pretty stable' either. There was genocide, rape rooms, mass graves, invasions of neighboring countries, and so on. Now, of course, it is not stable but it was in 2011 until Obama, against all the generals advice, withdrew the troops.
    1.)You just said it wasnt stable....2.)It really wasnt stable. Al-Qaeda was around, ISIS was being formed, other armed groups were still around.
    It was stable in 2011, even Barrack Obama said so, but then he pulled the troops and we have what we see now. Yes, Al Q was still around, which is why the troops should have remained.
    The thing is, the troops didnt bring stability. They brought instability.
    What period are you referring to here? Iraq was 'stable' in 2011. There were 55 deaths al year and not all of those from terrorists. How does that compare with three years later?
    The thing is it didnt bring peace..
    You are not familiar with the history of the area.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Do you think the US wasn't monitoring the election and making sure someone they like got elected? We both know that if someone the Bush admin couldn't live with got elected, it wouldn't have been allowed to stand.
    How do you know that? Why would that have mattered?

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