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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    They were driven out of Iraq by the Sunni and us.....those who we stiffed at the end with BO walking away.

    Yes they still made attacks in Iraq.....but then when AQ themselves point out they were driven out. Despite them saying they withdrew. Shows it for what it is.
    "Driven out" but still make large terrorist attacks? "Driven out" but still active in fighting the Iraqi government? Whaaattttt....

    Also in 2006.....Before AQ was driven out of Iraq. They caused the Shia uprising in which Al Sadr led the Shia and their Attacks and Assassinations.
    They were never driven out.


    Militant Group Is Out of Baghdad, U.S. Says

    American forces have routed Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia, the Iraqi militant network, from every neighborhood of Baghdad, a top American general said today, allowing American troops involved in the “surge” to depart as planned.

    He and other military commanders have maintained for months that the conditions for national reconciliation have been met. They argue that Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia, the homegrown Sunni extremist group that American intelligence agencies say is foreign-led, has been weakened. They cite in particular the rise of the American-supported citizen volunteers — 67,000 nationwide, according to military figures.

    And though Sunni extremist groups could revive and “reinfest very quickly,” General Fil said, Iraq’s leaders should now have the peace they need to build a trusted, cross-sectarian government. But progress toward that, he said, has been “disappointing.”.....snip~

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/08/wo...t&emc=rss&_r=0


    Al-Qaeda making comeback in Iraq, officials say.....

    Al-Qaeda is rebuilding in Iraq and has set up training camps for insurgents in the nation's western deserts as the extremist group seizes on regional instability and government security failures to regain strength, officials say.

    During the war and its aftermath, U.S. forces, joined by allied Sunni groups and later by Iraqi counterterror forces, managed to beat back al-Qaeda's Iraqi branch.

    The new growth of al-Qaeda in Iraq, also known as the Islamic State of Iraq, is not entirely unexpected. Last November, the top U.S. military official in Iraq, Army Gen. Lloyd Austin, predicted "turbulence" ahead for Iraq's security forces. But he doubted Iraq would return to the days of widespread fighting between Shiite militias and Sunni insurgents, including al-Qaeda, that brought the Islamic country to the brink of civil war.

    Al-Qaeda making comeback in Iraq, officials say
    6:26 p.m. EDT October 9, 2012


    Note the terms routed, beat back.....New Growth.
    All of those links recognize they were never beat out of Iraq. One recognizes that it was beat out of Baghdad but not Iraq as a whole. . All of those links recognize that they were still in Iraq and regrouping forces and very much active.


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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    seems times have changed, I remember when the left was far more vocal about sending troops to Iraq.
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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    "Driven out" but still make large terrorist attacks? "Driven out" but still active in fighting the Iraqi government? Whaaattttt....


    They were never driven out.



    All of those links recognize they were never beat out of Iraq. One recognizes that it was beat out of Baghdad but not Iraq as a whole. . All of those links recognize that they were still in Iraq and regrouping forces and very much active.


    New Growth says it all.


    Information Warfare: Al Qaeda Discusses Losing Iraq.....


    May 27, 2008: Al Qaeda web sites are making a lot of noise about "why we lost in Iraq." Western intelligence agencies are fascinated by the statistics being posted in several of these Arab language sites. Not the kind of stuff you read about in the Western media. According to al Qaeda, their collapse in Iraq was steep and catastrophic. According to their stats, in late 2006, al Qaeda was responsible for 60 percent of the terrorist attacks, and nearly all the ones that involved killing a lot of civilians. The rest of the violence was carried out by Iraqi Sunni Arab groups, who were trying in vain to scare the Americans out of the country.

    Today, al Qaeda has been shattered, with most of its leadership and foot soldiers dead, captured or moved from Iraq. As a result, al Qaeda attacks have declined more than 90 percent. Worse, most of their Iraqi Sunni Arab allies have turned on them, or simply quit. This "betrayal" is handled carefully on the terrorist web sites, for it is seen as both shameful, and perhaps recoverable......snip~

    Information Warfare: Al Qaeda Discusses Losing Iraq

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Gladiator View Post
    How much more assistance is being requested?

    Overkill can endanger more American lives, and create resentment in the target nations, religions, and tribes.

    Obama receives many recommendations for policies. Which Military or other leaders are suggesting 1500 advisors is not enough?

    One aspect of Leadership is to decrease the amount of over-kill suggestions.



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    To Take on ISIS......5 Billion. That's what BO is asking for. We have had some state it will require 15-20k US Troops.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya 88. Was Maliki voted in twice by the people of Iraq?
    Do you think the US wasn't monitoring the election and making sure someone they like got elected? We both know that if someone the Bush admin couldn't live with got elected, it wouldn't have been allowed to stand.


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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    seems times have changed, I remember when the left was far more vocal about sending troops to Iraq.
    Yeah, probably about the same time that the right was really excited about the idea of doing it. Gee, you don't think the party of the President at the time has anything to do with it, do you?


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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    New Growth says it all.
    You claimed earlier that AQ left Iraq and "military experts" agreed with that opinion. However none of the "sources" you just provided backed that stance. Instead all it said was they were pushed out of Baghdad and were regrouping...

    Information Warfare: Al Qaeda Discusses Losing Iraq.....


    May 27, 2008: Al Qaeda web sites are making a lot of noise about "why we lost in Iraq." Western intelligence agencies are fascinated by the statistics being posted in several of these Arab language sites. Not the kind of stuff you read about in the Western media. According to al Qaeda, their collapse in Iraq was steep and catastrophic. According to their stats, in late 2006, al Qaeda was responsible for 60 percent of the terrorist attacks, and nearly all the ones that involved killing a lot of civilians. The rest of the violence was carried out by Iraqi Sunni Arab groups, who were trying in vain to scare the Americans out of the country.

    Today, al Qaeda has been shattered, with most of its leadership and foot soldiers dead, captured or moved from Iraq. As a result, al Qaeda attacks have declined more than 90 percent. Worse, most of their Iraqi Sunni Arab allies have turned on them, or simply quit. This "betrayal" is handled carefully on the terrorist web sites, for it is seen as both shameful, and perhaps recoverable......snip~

    Information Warfare: Al Qaeda Discusses Losing Iraq
    This source also just says many in AQ regrouped under a new leader and a new name in 2006...


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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Do you think the US wasn't monitoring the election and making sure someone they like got elected? We both know that if someone the Bush admin couldn't live with got elected, it wouldn't have been allowed to stand.
    When did we back the Shia in Iraq under Bush Junior again? Uhm it was the Shia and aL Sadr who went after us in 2006. Now uhm how did we want that vote by the people to side with those who were killing us again?

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Obama, when he pulled out of Iraq for votes.
    Damn him for listening to the electorate. I mean, what good is democracy if our elected representatives don't tell the people to "go f*ck themselves?"


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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    When did we back the Shia in Iraq under Bush Junior again? Uhm it was the Shia and aL Sadr who went after us in 2006. Now uhm how did we want that vote by the people to side with those who were killing us again?
    So if a Baathist had been elected, Bush would have just said "OK, fine?"


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