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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin' Gladiator. Good to see you back around. This was from Oct 21st and the New Iraqi PM. This is what our people are caught up in. Despite trying to help them from losing their country. If you check back in the thread, with what the Sunni have now come out and said, and al Nusra wiping out whats left of the Syrian Rebels. You can see why BO's plan has gone kaaaaaput.


    Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi said Monday he wouldn't allow any foreign troops into the country to help retake territory lost to a Sunni Arab uprising being led by the so-called Islamic State. His comments were widely reported. But the following remark arguably didn't get sufficient attention: “We don’t need foreign combat troops. And there is no country in the world which would be willing to fight here and give you back your land even if they were asked to," he said.

    But now Abadi has effectively said that if given a chance the US would have designs on Iraqi territory. His comment that foreign help isn't needed is risible – the failures of the Iraqi army in Mosul and Anbar provinces show that. But his comments, while popular in Iraq, could further endanger any US troops there.

    This is the environment that a few hundred US military advisers and diplomats are operating in, not in the badlands of Anbar but in the heart of Baghdad. And hatred for the US runs fairly deep among the country's Shiite militias, as AFP reported, citing a policeman in Baghdad.....snip~

    Iraqi PM Abadi says the US is not to be trusted. Really?

    Obama's previously described plan for the Syrian Rebels is problematic, I agree.

    But this 1500 Troop increase is to man centers for the Kurds, to the North, and for the Iraqi forces, West of Baghdad.

    The Middle East is fluid, and if the US must update its plans, probably once a week, to suit new opportunities/dangers.



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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Gladiator View Post
    Obama's previously described plan for the Syrian Rebels is problematic, I agree.

    But this 1500 Troop increase is to man centers for the Kurds, to the North, and for the Iraqi forces, West of Baghdad.

    The Middle East is fluid, and if the US must update its plans, probably once a week, to suit new opportunities/dangers.



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    We have to do more than roll with the punches......The others are with 60k Iraqi troops protecting Baghdad.....then we have some in around Baghdad Airport. The Embassy too.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    I was wrong on when BO sent aid.....that's about it! 75 Missiles.....I missed that part. But I am glad you did point out the rest arrived in 2014. Like I said. What happened did you forget to bring up that I pointed this out. Looks like I was Right as well as being wrong when Bo sent the Aid. But then I was going by the NY Times piece.
    I never denied that aid arrived in 2014. I simply stated aid arrived in 2013 as well.


    Did you want to share with all.....how BO's strategy has come to a failure. Or did you skip that part like you did when I said the aid was shipped in 2014.
    I think its wayy to much of a oversimplification to blame this all on "BO". It has to deal with the invasion in the first place back in 2003. It has to do deal with the debaathfication. It has to deal with Sunnis bascially being bared from any representation in governemnt. It has to deal with the failure of Iraqi military.


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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    ISIS exists in Iraq today because president chump left Iraq to the wolves. We left, they filled the vacuum, and as a result many more have been and will be killed. Obama lost the peace in Iraq.
    Who created the vacuum? Who gave us Maliki and his "no Sunnis need apply" government?


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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Of course, none of these boots will be on the ground...

    There goes that promise.


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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Of course, none of these boots will be on the ground...

    There goes that promise.
    They are all using the new and improved "hover-boots".


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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I never denied that aid arrived in 2014. I simply stated aid arrived in 2013 as well.




    I think its wayy to much of a oversimplification to blame this all on "BO". It has to deal with the invasion in the first place back in 2003. It has to do deal with the debaathfication. It has to deal with Sunnis bascially being bared from any representation in governemnt. It has to deal with the failure of Iraqi military.

    Not if one goes by BO's own words about not letting AQ have any Safehaven.....which is why he was for the War in Afghanistan. So with his own principle.....and knowing all along what was taking place with ISIL back in 2011......AQ in Iraq. Then all of what is being dealt with now. Does fall upon him and his policy for Iraq.....and now for his Strategy for ISIS.

    As his allies don't trust him. That's with the Sunni Coalition. Then as I have shown.....the Shia don't trust him. Al Sadr wants the US driven out and he acts for al Sistani. Now the New Iraqi PM doesn't trust him.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Who created the vacuum? Who gave us Maliki and his "no Sunnis need apply" government?
    Heya 88. Was Maliki voted in twice by the people of Iraq?

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So its not about what advisors actually do, to now what in your opinion they should do?
    Do you think 'advisers' will bring peace to anywhere in the Middle East?

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Not if one goes by BO's own words about not letting AQ have any Safehaven.....which is why he was for the War in Afghanistan.
    Ok.. Again this goes way beyond blaming one person...

    So with his own principle.....and knowing all along what was taking place with ISIL back in 2011......AQ in Iraq. Then all of what is being dealt with now. Does fall upon him and his policy for Iraq.....and now for his Strategy for ISIS.
    Again. Not you cannot blame this simply on one person. Even if we left troops in Iraq that does not mean ISIS would be formed...

    As his allies don't trust him. That's with the Sunni Coalition. Then as I have shown.....the Shia don't trust him. Al Sadr wants the US driven out and he acts for al Sistani. Now the New Iraqi PM doesn't trust him.
    Sure they dont. Thats why they are on their hands and knees for us....


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