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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    those who had visibility on the negotiations say different. Two separate SECDEFs and the Ambassador to Iraq under Obama have all come out and pretty much confirmed that it was the Administration that wanted us out, and were warned what that meant.



    that's not what I saw from the ground level, and it's not what is described by those who were at the higher level.

    We made sure to burn all the bridges as we left, and are now surprised that they reacted accordingly.
    The fact Obama has been totally exposed on this is irrelevant to the lying slobs who support him. They will, in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, continue to insist anything BUT what really happened.

    They will ignore Obama's vacuous bull**** claims all was well, what he said on tape is denied; they even deny he made speeches about the "lasting peace" his administration had created and the great news that all of Islam were his buddies now.

    Look, the prick lied though his pearly whites for the sole purpose of getting his sorry, incompetent ass re-elected, just as he lied about Obamacare and everything else. Most of the country has now seen through the smoke and mirrors, and given up on this charlatan, but to some, those who BELIEVED this community organizer was a god sent redeemer who was harboring in a new utopia are now left with the pitiful rebuttal of "wait till 2016!"

    It's over, but the minimal thinkers, those with single digit IQ's cannot accept they bought a handful of mist from a snake oil salesman and will continue to invent their own form of reality/history to suit that image, a anything else means they really are nobodies.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    It was President George W. Bush who signed the SOFA that all troops would be out of Iraq Dec 31, 2011. President Obama tried to extend it but al Maliki said if troops stayed they could possibly be prosecuted under Sharia Law. So we left.
    Obama ignoring the IS problem and not addressing it has allowed it to get beyond his level of competence in managing it.

    Poor management, poor leadership on _________ issue = lost elections. Iraq is just one of those fill-in-the-blank issues.
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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Same tired excuse. Whos at the wheel, Obama or Bush?
    Al Maliki.
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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    And it could be that the government cut off 37% of the population from any political representation.
    Saddam cut off 66% for 20 years and used genocide to keep them quiet.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Saddam cut off 66% for 20 years and used genocide to keep them quiet.
    Ok. Does that excuse any actions by the government who upheld itself as democratic? Do you ignore the rest of my analysis?


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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    ISIS couldn't flourish until the dictator who kept his bootheel on the sectarian violence was gone.

    And while ISIS didn't particularly flourish under Bush (largely because it didn't ****ing exist before the invasion), its ideological predecessor, Al-Qaeda in Iraq, most certainly did. Facts, US Conservative, are stubborn things.
    ISIS didn't exist before Obama did the premature withdrawal.

    That and the arms shipments out of Libya though Benghazi is what created ISIS.

    Besides, if AL-Qaeda was so strong in Iraq that they were just waiting for Obama to leave why did he say everything is cool and leave? Shouldn't a responsible commander in chief have KNOWN things were unstable?

    Clearly you want it both ways and while Republicans may indeed be stubborn, you and the rest of the Obama-supporting hordes are simply dishonest as demonstrated with the above post.

    When the American left can learn to stop lying, you may get some respect but this whole debate is simply a lie.

    Obama said there was stability and peace, there wasn't just like you couldn't keep your plan....
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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Ok. Does that excuse any actions by the government who upheld itself as democratic? Do you ignore the rest of my analysis?
    I didn't say it excuses anything. I just think one might consider 20 years of genocide, institutionalized rape, mass slaughters and 66% of the population having no representation to be the largest factor in the rise of ISI. Saddam set a stage that no one could change. All we can do is get through it while Iraq regrows social capital.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    ISIS didn't exist before Obama did the premature withdrawal.

    That and the arms shipments out of Libya though Benghazi is what created ISIS.

    Besides, if AL-Qaeda was so strong in Iraq that they were just waiting for Obama to leave why did he say everything is cool and leave? Shouldn't a responsible commander in chief have KNOWN things were unstable?

    Clearly you want it both ways and while Republicans may indeed be stubborn, you and the rest of the Obama-supporting hordes are simply dishonest as demonstrated with the above post.

    When the American left can learn to stop lying, you may get some respect but this whole debate is simply a lie.

    Obama said there was stability and peace, there wasn't just like you couldn't keep your plan....
    Well, for starters, screw off.

    I'm not claiming that full withdrawal was the right idea, I'm not claiming anything else of the sort. Maybe if you didn't try and claim I'm saying things I'm not, you could engage in something resembling an actual discussion.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    ISIS couldn't flourish until the dictator who kept his bootheel on the sectarian violence was gone.

    And while ISIS didn't particularly flourish under Bush (largely because it didn't ****ing exist before the invasion), its ideological predecessor, Al-Qaeda in Iraq, most certainly did. Facts, US Conservative, are stubborn things.
    ISIS isn't AQI. AQI was largely destroyed, Iraq became a lightning rod for terrorists, and we killed them. Now its a lightning rod yet again, and Obama does nothing. Facts are most definitely stubborn, Kobie.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I didn't say it excuses anything. I just think one might consider 20 years of genocide, institutionalized rape, mass slaughters and 66% of the population having no representation to be the largest factor in the rise of ISI. Saddam set a stage that no one could change. All we can do is get through it while Iraq regrows social capital.
    Sure it does. But now one must look at the beast it created.


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