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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    On the contrary, I believe those lives are worth infinitely more than the politics of terrorists and Obama.
    I doubt it. It would be one thing if Iraq attacked us, but they did not.


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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    You didn't really address the question. You just recited hindsight.



    Good answer. Don't agree with all of it, but it's a good answer. A couple points...

    1) Yes, we still have a presence in those countries, but none of them have openly hostile populations that seek to fight us literally on a daily basis. In essence, the wars in those countries are over. Not really an apples-to-apples comparison.

    2) We don't have the resolve. To fight any war, IMO. Maybe if we got into a nation vs nation war like WW2 with a clear and defined enemy we might pull up the resolve, but barring that...
    Americans dont like to fight wars. Despite what the picture painted by the left we aren't a war-like nation. Our world policy is essentially dont attack us and trade with us. We were united by 9/11, and we know the war on terror isn't going to end like ww2 did. Thats the reality of where we are.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Just came over "breaking news" on the telly-o-vision.

    Huh. Odd how that decision came just after the election, eh?
    Does anyone really doubt that in a matter of time there will be as many or more American and coalition troops on the ground in Iraq and the area than there would have been had President Obama not beaten a hasty retreat from Iraq shortly following his election. It's impossible to be certain, but had the American forces been stationed in Iraq all this time, since 2011, it's quite possible that the ISIL/ISIS/IS movement never would have ventured past the Syrian/Iraq border in the first place.
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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Lmao, you keep making it up as you go. It's not helping you. No no, you said there was peace in Iraq and Obama lost it. That is demonstrably false. Almost 1,000 police officers were killed in the country as well as 8,000 civilians. Hell, even by conservative estimates 2008 was as violent as 2003 (the year the war began). So again - WHERE WAS THIS PEACE?

    https://www.iraqbodycount.org/analys...rs/surge-2008/



    IBC is a conservative estimate of the death toll. Hell, even the media has compared 2014 to 2008 in terms of violence:

    Iraq suffers its deadliest year since 2008 | World news | The Guardian



    You made a claim, now you're struggling to back it up. Stop it. There hasn't been any tangible sense of peace in Iraq in 12 years. Please stop making up claims that can be proven false with a little research?
    Okay....let's see if I follow.

    There was no peace in Iraq you say...

    So why did Obama pull out again?
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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    The ****ed up thing, is the islamic fascists spelled it out for us. Scary how accurate this is so many years later:

    The Future of Terrorism: What al-Qaida Really Wants - SPIEGEL ONLINE
    There are some obvious parallels there.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Just came over "breaking news" on the telly-o-vision.

    Huh. Odd how that decision came just after the election, eh?
    Are they wearing running shoes?

    Because the CIC promised no American boots on the ground.
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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    We know. Because in your mind gotta make the message reeeeaaaalllll simple: "Obama bad. Everything bad is only Obama fault".
    Its as simple as the message on tuesday night.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I've actually come around to agree that we should not have gone in the first place. that said.


    Obama: ‘I Promised To End The War In Iraq, And I Did’


    He pulled out way to early. it wasn't a responsible withdrawal.
    That's Monday morning quarterbacking.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Sorry, you can't prove that, ISIS could have grown even if there were still troops there. You FAIL.
    ISIS wouldn't have grown into its size, including nearly half of IRAQ if we were there. Our guns would have seen to that, if not the Iraqi military.

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    Re: CNN: 1,500 more troops to Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No, it really isn't. 2008 had the same level of violence as 2003, the year the war began. Would you say 2003 was a peaceful year in Iraq? Obviously not. Would you say Chicago was less peaceful in 1992 when 800 people were murdered but is now more peaceful because in 2013, 500 people were killed? Of course not. That's absolutely ridiculous. Yet, that's what you're stating here. That Iraq in 2008 - had the same violence as the period when the war started - but somehow it was peaceful. That's sophistry.
    The war started. And violence escalated, and then dramatically dropped? What changed? One POTUS made a commitment to getting the job done. Conversely, I wonder how many more video's of mass execution you need to see before you realize that another (and current) POTUS did the exact opposite-and look at the fallout.

    Besides, life under Saddam, with his WMD attacks, etc wasn't exactly "peaceful", was it. Im sure you can answer that.

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