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Obama expected to nominate Loretta Lynch to be attorney general: CNN

Give the police, or any other agency of the government, powers prohibited by the Constitution, and some of their agents will abuse those powers. It really is simple stuff.
Which is Lynch's point. She didn't make any determinative statement as to whether or not the practice should be halted altogether, she was simply commenting on the public controversy that it has drawn.
 
I find it very hard to imagine that the USA will ever have a worse AG than Alberto Gonzales.

Yes, what with all of the racial division, and illegal gun running Gonzales did....Oh wait...:doh
 
another affirmative action poster child apparently. I will have to do some checking on her since her wiki article is really thin
Apparently, huh? Something tells me you're assuming so because of your own personal tendencies, and not based upon anything substantive. Regardless of whether or not she benefited from AA in her collegiate years, she appears to have had a overly successful career. Being both a top flight attorney and a member of the Fed's board of Governors is nothing to sneeze at.
 
Apparently, huh? Something tells me you're assuming so because of your own personal tendencies, and not based upon anything substantive. Regardless of whether or not she benefited from AA in her collegiate years, she appears to have had a overly successful career. Being both a top flight attorney and a member of the Fed's board of Governors is nothing to sneeze at.

What's her record as an attorney? Any prominent cases that she successfully prosecuted? And what does sitting on the board for the Fed have to do with being AG?
 
Which is why John Mitchel went to prison I think.

My how things have changed. A Republican white guy used his AG for his own political protection and one went to prison, the other driven from office, but Obama gets to mull over whether to nominate now or after the new opposition comes in.

Personally, as a journalist during the Watergate Era, I cannot help but feel that America has lost its last, best chance at redemption and that now all is lost....From this date forward presidents will all be able to hail these precedents and become petty dictators with pens and phones and gulags

This POTUS is more Nixonian than Nixon ever was.
 
Greetings, F&L. :2wave:

If that happens, and I really hope it doesn't, it will prove why Diogenes gave up his search for an honest man! Ironic how those old tales teach a lesson that few choose to learn, until it's too late! :shock:

A few years back for Halloween I went as Diogenes, lamp and all.
 
I'm certain she'll be fine.
There is always a lot of blather about cabinet nominees.
This is an unfortunate picture of Lynch, though.....


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Just saying.
 
Well said. I agree. Every thing today is party line votes. Like you I remember a time if something passed the senate by a 55-45 margin the breakdown might be something like 35 Democratic and 20 Reublican Yeas, 20 Democratic 25 Republican Nays. Today we do not vote for a Representative to represent us or a senator to go to Washington to represent our state. We vote for a Representative and a Senator to go to Washington to represent the party they are a member of. The will and wishes of the people and of the state they are from is lost.

I see no hope of respecting the wishes of the people who elect these officials to ever take them into consideration. It is all party.

This is one reason there is a movement to repeal the 17th amendment thereby having the state legislature directly appoint senators (as was done historically) vs the popular vote in play now as with the house. I have mixed feelings on it but it might be a solution.
 
This is one reason there is a movement to repeal the 17th amendment thereby having the state legislature directly appoint senators (as was done historically) vs the popular vote in play now as with the house. I have mixed feelings on it but it might be a solution.

I am in favor of it. I know I am in the minority but I believe a senator should represent his state and the people in his state, not a political party. I do not know if repeal would solve the problem, but it couldn't hurt and we would be no worse off then we are today.
 
Well said. I agree. Every thing today is party line votes. Like you I remember a time if something passed the senate by a 55-45 margin the breakdown might be something like 35 Democratic and 20 Reublican Yeas, 20 Democratic 25 Republican Nays. Today we do not vote for a Representative to represent us or a senator to go to Washington to represent our state. We vote for a Representative and a Senator to go to Washington to represent the party they are a member of. The will and wishes of the people and of the state they are from is lost.

I see no hope of respecting the wishes of the people who elect these officials to ever take them into consideration. It is all party.



It's called brand voting. "I have never voted anything but...." is considered honorable, along with "I'm voting _____ no matter who runs."

What should be honorable is "You will get my vote if and when you show me you're worth hiring for the job in the first place..."

It can be changed. This, this horrible nightmare of re-fighting every issue from the DNA out is killing the country. FFS, as I have said before, Americans need to start seeing their problems with foreign eyes. A half million people enter the US illegally every year across the Mexican US border. They get to stay, raise families and, apparently vote. Meanwhile, you strip search pregnant East Indian women entering through Blaine to do some shopping.
While the congress and the president square off in a postured stand off about letting them stay, no one is even wanting to talk about the fact the US consumes enough cocaine in one day to supply a line to every man woman and child on the face of the planet. They are not talking about the highest crime rate, the highest murder rate, the highest prison recidivism rate, the highest teenage pregnancy rate, the highest high school drop out rate in the industrialized world. They are not talking about the collapse of the public school system or even what happened to the money in '08.

The US is the only nation in the G-20 that does not have universal medical and after dividing the country on that one issue, in the end more adults than the population of Canada will still have no health coverage in 2020.

This is in a country that rebounded from the most serious air attack in warfare history in just over a year to cripple the Japanese Navy. A nation that showed the world how to 'liberate" and show a democratic hand. And let us not forget the Berlin Air Lift and the cold war. A nation that was years ahead in the development of the bomb, has led the world in aircraft technology for seven decades, is the only nation to have landed on the moon and revolutionized communications with the PC and cell phone.

There's no shortage of resources to throw at the problem, but a shortage of will among the people to say "enough! We want some ****ing answers and we want them now!' But, be prepared, those answers are going to come from "enemies", guys like Ted Cruz just might have good ideas that will work. Who knows, there yet be evidence of intelligent life in leftist America.
 
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I am in favor of it. I know I am in the minority but I believe a senator should represent his state and the people in his state, not a political party. I do not know if repeal would solve the problem, but it couldn't hurt and we would be no worse off then we are today.

Agreed. But amendments are notoriously hard to repeal, as they are to implement. I can hear the opposition already.
 
A few years back for Halloween I went as Diogenes, lamp and all.

Greetings, U S Conservative. :2wave:

:applaud: How many people recognized who you were, and what you represented? I don't think they teach those characteristics these days - it would put too many politicians out of a job! :mrgreen:
 
It's called brand voting. "I have never voted anything but...." is considered honorable, along with "I'm voting _____ no matter who runs."

What should be honorable is "You will get my vote if and when you show me you're worth hiring for the job in the first place..."

It can be changed. This, this horrible nightmare of re-fighting every issue from the DNA out is killing the country. FFS, as I have said before, Americans need to start seeing their problems with foreign eyes. A half million people enter the US illegally every year across the Mexican US border. They get to stay, raise families and, apparently vote. Meanwhile, you strip search pregnant East Indian women entering through Blaine to do some shopping.
While the congress and the president square off in a postured stand off about letting them stay, no one is even wanting to talk about the fact the US consumes enough cocaine in one day to supply a line to every man woman and child on the face of the planet. They are not talking about the highest crime rate, the highest murder rate, the highest prison recidivism rate, the highest teenage pregnancy rate, the highest high school drop out rate in the industrialized world. They are not talking about the collapse of the public school system or even what happened to the money in '08.

The US is the only nation in the G-20 that does not have universal medical and after dividing the country on that one issue, in the end more adults than the population of Canada will still have no health coverage in 2020.

This is in a country that rebounded from the most serious air attack in warfare history in just over a year to cripple the Japanese Navy. A nation that showed the world how to 'liberate" and show a democratic hand. And let us not forget the Berlin Air Lift and the cold war. A nation that was years ahead in the development of the bomb, has led the world in aircraft technology for seven decades, is the only nation to have landed on the moon and revolutionized communications with the PC and cell phone.

There's no shortage of resources to throw at the problem, but a shortage of will among the people to say "enough! We want some ****ing answers and we want them now!' But, be prepared, those answers are going to come from "enemies", guys like Ted Cruz just might have good ideas that will work. Who knows, there yet be evidence of intelligent life in leftist America.

We have the left (media/academia/hollywood) indoctrinating people to hate this nation, and anyone who points out obvious flaws (10 kids out of wedlock, lack of education, raising a family on a minimum wage job, passing on welfare from generation to generation) is painted as hateful (and of course conservative).

I watched that show downton abbey recently and one fascinating aspect was showing how people sanctioned themselves (without govt) for undesirable behavior. A war-widow would be taken care of by the community and while a "bastard" would be be cared for, the mother would be ostracized. Why? Because marriage meant something, and adulterers lessened the value of that.

Even when I was a kid if we were doing something stupid an adult would say stop it (and we generally did), in my parents generation a stranger might even spank a kid doing the same (not saying thats necessary good)-now kids do stupid **** in plain sight and nobody says a thing. My point is people looked after themselves-not anymore.

This paralyzes people and prevents them from pointing out the obvious.
 
Greetings, U S Conservative. :2wave:

:applaud: How many people recognized who you were, and what you represented? I don't think they teach those characteristics these days - it would put too many politicians out of a job! :mrgreen:

I had to explain it to most, after I said I was looking for an honest man. I even had a few of his rants prepared. And of course, drank plenty of wine. :2razz:

The year prior I went as Patrick Swayze's pancreas, now I kind of regret that. Im a bit more sensitive to that these days. :eek:
 
I had to explain it to most, after I said I was looking for an honest man. I even had a few of his rants prepared. And of course, drank plenty of wine. :2razz:

The year prior I went as Patrick Swayze's pancreas, now I kind of regret that. Im a bit more sensitive to that these days. :eek:

I always thought he was sexy! He died too young....
 
Agreed. But amendments are notoriously hard to repeal, as they are to implement. I can hear the opposition already.

In other words, it ain't gonna happen. Personally I would like to see both the 17th and 22nd repealed.
 
In other words, it ain't gonna happen. Personally I would like to see both the 17th and 22nd repealed.

Interesting. What would you replace them with - especially the 17th Amendment?
 
It's called brand voting. "I have never voted anything but...." is considered honorable, along with "I'm voting _____ no matter who runs."

What should be honorable is "You will get my vote if and when you show me you're worth hiring for the job in the first place..."

It can be changed. This, this horrible nightmare of re-fighting every issue from the DNA out is killing the country. FFS, as I have said before, Americans need to start seeing their problems with foreign eyes. A half million people enter the US illegally every year across the Mexican US border. They get to stay, raise families and, apparently vote. Meanwhile, you strip search pregnant East Indian women entering through Blaine to do some shopping.
While the congress and the president square off in a postured stand off about letting them stay, no one is even wanting to talk about the fact the US consumes enough cocaine in one day to supply a line to every man woman and child on the face of the planet. They are not talking about the highest crime rate, the highest murder rate, the highest prison recidivism rate, the highest teenage pregnancy rate, the highest high school drop out rate in the industrialized world. They are not talking about the collapse of the public school system or even what happened to the money in '08.

The US is the only nation in the G-20 that does not have universal medical and after dividing the country on that one issue, in the end more adults than the population of Canada will still have no health coverage in 2020.

This is in a country that rebounded from the most serious air attack in warfare history in just over a year to cripple the Japanese Navy. A nation that showed the world how to 'liberate" and show a democratic hand. And let us not forget the Berlin Air Lift and the cold war. A nation that was years ahead in the development of the bomb, has led the world in aircraft technology for seven decades, is the only nation to have landed on the moon and revolutionized communications with the PC and cell phone.

There's no shortage of resources to throw at the problem, but a shortage of will among the people to say "enough! We want some ****ing answers and we want them now!' But, be prepared, those answers are going to come from "enemies", guys like Ted Cruz just might have good ideas that will work. Who knows, there yet be evidence of intelligent life in leftist America.

I agree, it is the will that is lacking. It is as you state that both parties have their ear plugs in and will not listen to a word the other says or any ideas from the other party to solve the numerous problems this nations has. If the idea is from the other party, it is bad and our party has to be against it. If the idea is from our party it is automatically good and we have to be all for it. Never mind the merits of any idea, that doesn't count.
 
We have the left (media/academia/hollywood) indoctrinating people to hate this nation, and anyone who points out obvious flaws (10 kids out of wedlock, lack of education, raising a family on a minimum wage job, passing on welfare from generation to generation) is painted as hateful (and of course conservative).

I watched that show downton abbey recently and one fascinating aspect was showing how people sanctioned themselves (without govt) for undesirable behavior. A war-widow would be taken care of by the community and while a "bastard" would be be cared for, the mother would be ostracized. Why? Because marriage meant something, and adulterers lessened the value of that.

Even when I was a kid if we were doing something stupid an adult would say stop it (and we generally did), in my parents generation a stranger might even spank a kid doing the same (not saying thats necessary good)-now kids do stupid **** in plain sight and nobody says a thing. My point is people looked after themselves-not anymore.

This paralyzes people and prevents them from pointing out the obvious.



Again, thank you. You make me think, which at my age is a good thing and in the company I keep all too rare.

Values. and how they ply in socio-political arenas.

Something the left blew way back when, I guess when "socialism" was distancing itself from the other "isms", it became important to first, kill God, then kill the family concept. Every utopian scenario from Orwell to Asimov to Huxley, they all remove the family along with any form of faith...and they all end up in hell.

Meanwhile, as you note, man is wired to care for his kin. We are the only species that does so at the community level. We are wired to the "social contract". Widows were first to receive care of any kind by the Hebrews, who were commanded by a very pissed off God. Our Godly compassion was then hijacked by the most formidable of institutions, the Roman Catholic Church and compassion has never recovered. Hospitals, orphanages, schools etc., all fell away from local control and decision making and moved onto a centralized model with one guy, allegedly infallible at the top. We surrendered our right to care for our neighbor. And now that we have as a society fired God as our moral guide, surrender that right of caring to....government.

Which demonstrates man's psychosis. The same institution that steals your money, misues it, lies about the need for war can suddenly be trusted with the health and welfare of those who cannot fend for themselves, all within a clearly corrupt, vote generating environment. I know people on very serious medication for duality thinking like that.

Today, it is a purely political fight and based on a simple human trait. Throughout history and documented in the Bible is there a division of people, one that says "our government/church/kingdom has to look after [them]. The other says no the Good Samaritan is where it's at. But the answer is at the beginning with the unanswered question "Am I my brother's keeper?"

The only problem is the Good Samaritan died when they killed God. There aren't any anymore, it's the government's job. The end result of all social programs is there...a transfer of the duty/right to care for your neighbor to the hands of a bureaucrat whose career path will be determined not by his compassion, but for the exactitude of his widgets. So of course the family as a concept is as dead as God in the minds of too many. An adult suggesting to a youth who is trying to skateboard down my mountainside and across two lanes of heavy beach traffic out of control is going to hear a very excited "**** off!"

the utter irony is that true compassion extends from values, core values about the sanctity of human life and right to the pursuit of happiness. While socialists preach compassion, they reject the values which lie at its core substituting bureaucracy for true caring. The results can be seen in the eyes of any high school graduate in America today.
 
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