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    Re: Obama expected to nominate Loretta Lynch to be attorney general: CNN

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Exactly, what the Obama supporters and most Democrats do not realize is once a precedence is set, is done then the other guy and the other party will use that precedence. They, being Obama supporters and Democrats expect that only their guy can do what he did. Whether it is going to war in Libya without congressional approval, a future Republican president can cite the same precedence. Reid's nuclear option precedence, one would be a fool if they don't think McConnell in the upcoming session won't use it to get something he wants passed, passed. Even if the Democrats are filibustering it. He can cite Reid's precedence. Executive orders which defy the law, like not deporting illegals which the law plainly states must be departed or ignoring laws one does not like and only enforcing the ones you do.

    The AG is another example. People use to talk about Nixon and the Imperial Presidency. Obama has made Nixon look impotent. Whomever and from whatever party the next president will continue to amass power. Congress is too weak and partisan to stop it. At one time members of congress regardless of party took pride in being members of congress and would act to stop any and all usurpation of their power. Today, when Obama takes power from congress, the Democrats in Congress act like they are part of the Obama administration instead of congress and let him do it, defend him in doing and willing cede their power to him. The Republicans would do the same if the president was a Republican. Congress is becoming more and more irrelevant and the president more like a King everyday with congress being his serfs.


    And wait for the howl of protest when the next Republican president say, jails illegals based on Obama's precedents of pardons? Based on what I have seen in the debate with Obama, it will be ugly.
    At one time members of congress regardless of party took pride in being members of congress and would act to stop any and all usurpation of their power.
    There was a day when members, Senators too would vote their conscience or for their constituents and against their president. As you point out those days are dead. And that's what makes congress impotent. As we discussed earlier too, it is not by chance. As congress after congress has voted to protect themselves and their careers, they have systematically eroded their own power.

    This is one of the reasons I hail the Tea Party. As repulsive as many of their policies are to me, they represent a return to the democracy borne in the minds of the founding fathers. Americans don't understand the first Continental Congresses....there were no "parties" in fact they foresaw and planned for one only. There were 'blocs' and allegiances and so forth. And the result was compromise. When we were in high school getting this constitution business drilled into our brains, the word "compromise" was prominent, even the single answer to many a test question.

    By demonizing their opponents and the theatre and drama that goes with it, we can no longer have compromise. Since, if they are "enemies', then of course everything about them simply has to be pure evil...let's face it, in US politics the opposing team only has idiots, no talent.

    In the end, you miss out on good government and get arbitrary government, administrations that lurch from one problem to another with no real plan, no vision. There simply isn't resources to deal with that, there's too much energy going into making the other guy look evil
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    Re: Obama expected to nominate Loretta Lynch to be attorney general: CNN

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Is this really a difficult concept to grasp? She stated that it's a tool that has its uses, but can also be abused, therefore, the usefullness and appropriateness is largely dependent on the officer in questions's motives. Simple stuff really.
    Motives which can be determined just how? I can assure you that is, indeed, difficult stuff - really. Have you not been paying attention to Ferguson? What, exactly, were that officer's motives?
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    Re: Obama expected to nominate Loretta Lynch to be attorney general: CNN

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    And wait for the howl of protest when the next Republican president say, jails illegals based on Obama's precedents of pardons? Based on what I have seen in the debate with Obama, it will be ugly.


    There was a day when members, Senators too would vote their conscience or for their constituents and against their president. As you point out those days are dead. And that's what makes congress impotent. As we discussed earlier too, it is not by chance. As congress after congress has voted to protect themselves and their careers, they have systematically eroded their own power.

    This is one of the reasons I hail the Tea Party. As repulsive as many of their policies are to me, they represent a return to the democracy borne in the minds of the founding fathers. Americans don't understand the first Continental Congresses....there were no "parties" in fact they foresaw and planned for one only. There were 'blocs' and allegiances and so forth. And the result was compromise. When we were in high school getting this constitution business drilled into our brains, the word "compromise" was prominent, even the single answer to many a test question.

    By demonizing their opponents and the theatre and drama that goes with it, we can no longer have compromise. Since, if they are "enemies', then of course everything about them simply has to be pure evil...let's face it, in US politics the opposing team only has idiots, no talent.

    In the end, you miss out on good government and get arbitrary government, administrations that lurch from one problem to another with no real plan, no vision. There simply isn't resources to deal with that, there's too much energy going into making the other guy look evil
    Well said. I agree. Every thing today is party line votes. Like you I remember a time if something passed the senate by a 55-45 margin the breakdown might be something like 35 Democratic and 20 Reublican Yeas, 20 Democratic 25 Republican Nays. Today we do not vote for a Representative to represent us or a senator to go to Washington to represent our state. We vote for a Representative and a Senator to go to Washington to represent the party they are a member of. The will and wishes of the people and of the state they are from is lost.

    I see no hope of respecting the wishes of the people who elect these officials to ever take them into consideration. It is all party.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Obama expected to nominate Loretta Lynch to be attorney general: CNN

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Um.... didn't you read the part about how she is a black woman? In this administration, those are the credentials that she needs.



    Remember, in order to make sure we carry forward the legacy of Martin Luther King Jr, it's important that we continue to judge people based on the color of their skin rather than the content of their character or their particular abilities to do a job well or impartially.
    The only good thing about this sort of **** is that they can only pull it once.

    Hopefully it will stop being a thing before we reach the point where the news is making a big deal about the "first transgender Filipino state senator of Wyoming."

    So tiresome. Who cares? Their qualifications and their public statements matter, that **** does not. To hell with identity politics.

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    Re: Obama expected to nominate Loretta Lynch to be attorney general: CNN

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Or, according to Lynch "logic", they are done by (always right?) federal agents
    rather than (sometimes wrong?) local gov't police.


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    Re: Obama expected to nominate Loretta Lynch to be attorney general: CNN

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Get ready for a firestorm from the right wing congress. Or maybe they'll let this one slide so it won't be so obvious that they still will not work with the president.
    I think that would be the best strategy for the GOP to take. If she is qualified, let her have the job.
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    Re: Obama expected to nominate Loretta Lynch to be attorney general: CNN

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Well said. I agree. Every thing today is party line votes. Like you I remember a time if something passed the senate by a 55-45 margin the breakdown might be something like 35 Democratic and 20 Reublican Yeas, 20 Democratic 25 Republican Nays. Today we do not vote for a Representative to represent us or a senator to go to Washington to represent our state. We vote for a Representative and a Senator to go to Washington to represent the party they are a member of. The will and wishes of the people and of the state they are from is lost.

    I see no hope of respecting the wishes of the people who elect these officials to ever take them into consideration. It is all party.
    For that same reason I don't want to see either party in control of the two houses and white house. That would just be too much absolute power.

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    Re: Obama expected to nominate Loretta Lynch to be attorney general: CNN

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    For that same reason I don't want to see either party in control of the two houses and white house. That would just be too much absolute power.
    You had that from January 2009 to January 2011. I agree with you, it is better if at least one chamber of congress is held by the party that does not have the white house. But in the past having one party control both chambers of congress and the presidency happened quite often.

    but you did not have an imperial presidency like you have today.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Obama expected to nominate Loretta Lynch to be attorney general: CNN

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Umm.. you have to ask? The timing is interesting, isn't it? Let's wait until after the election, but before the new Senators are sworn in.



    Sure. If the Democrats are in charge, stop and frisk is just hunky dory, never mind the Constitutional issues. If Republicans are in charge, then it is obviously racist, as most of those being frisked are black.

    Does anyone but me find it humorous that her name is Lynch?
    Many centrists and most conservatives support stop and frisk. Liberals oppose it.

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    Re: Obama expected to nominate Loretta Lynch to be attorney general: CNN

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Motives which can be determined just how? I can assure you that is, indeed, difficult stuff - really.
    Internal review and external oversight, the same methods with which we determine whether or not police abuse has occurred in other cases You and others seem determined to turn a simple statement into some sort of shadowy racial conspiracy. Not exactly surprising though.

    Have you not been paying attention to Ferguson? What, exactly, were that officer's motives?
    Not even chasing that tangent.

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