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    Re: President Obama sent 'secret letter' to leader of Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The number of people In Obama's immediate policy group is immaterial, especially since you have no idea what role any of them play in the decision making process. The point is that the normal machinations of government in this process have been cast aside by Obama in favor of a decision making group that he controls directly and whose deliberations are not measured by outside influence. By all accounts the diversity of opinion in Foreign affairs has been cut out of the process.

    This is why we have the president sending secret messages to Iran to bypass his own government.
    Heya JM. As well as to the Saud and Qatar.

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    Re: President Obama sent 'secret letter' to leader of Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    No? Your post at #49
    Here is what I said at 49:

    Iran's mullah's were supported against their people by the Obama administration. Literally as they were being pulled by the Basij into unmarked black vans they were chanting "Obama you are with us or you are with them" and we decided we were with them because the administration wanted to prove that only idiotic cowboys like George Bush believe in all that naive "freedom" stuff.

    If you read that as saying we participated in their crackdown, then you just mis-read me and no harm no foul. But if you are going to insist that instead this conversation be about the claim that we did, then you are creating a strawman.

    Listen, I know you are never gonna admit you mispoke and are gonna continue to double down with every post. Let's just save us some time and end this nonsense here. Agreed?
    I meant exactly what I said. Are you going to address the rest of the post, or continue to desperately beat a strawman?

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    Re: President Obama sent 'secret letter' to leader of Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya JM. As well as to the Saud and Qatar.
    It's one thing to create an echo chamber within your own immediate staff. But entering discussions with Iran to give them the freedom to finish their nuclear program so that they will help fix your foreign policy disasters is atrocious, and could have been avoided if Obama wasn't actively weeding out everyone he doesn't agree with.
    Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he stops voting for the Free Fish party.

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    Re: President Obama sent 'secret letter' to leader of Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Yeah... Obama should just be more bold.

    Now THAT's a foreign policy.
    A statement so crazy and right-wing that Jesus said it.

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    Re: President Obama sent 'secret letter' to leader of Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    It's one thing to create an echo chamber within your own immediate staff. But entering discussions with Iran to give them the freedom to finish their nuclear program so that they will help fix your foreign policy disasters is atrocious, and could have been avoided if Obama wasn't actively weeding out everyone he doesn't agree with.
    Yeah.....just think how all over in the ME think about now.....not being able to take out that facility with Airstrikes. Like CPW pointed out....then the Saud says they will have theirs. Which we already know they were talking to the Pakistani.

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    Re: President Obama sent 'secret letter' to leader of Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I've got no problem with the use of secret back channels of communication with any country. I'm concerned more with what these letters contain and what promises Obama is making to Iran. What Obama and his team don't seem to realize is that they are absolutely horrible at negotiating..... anything. Iran will steamroll over Obama and the problem with that is, Iran may eventually get nuclear weapons. I'm not worried much about the strain on Saudi / Israel relations - once Obama is out of office and a new President comes things will reset to a degree. Iran with nukes will make the future very difficult and potentially will start the worlds first nuclear war where everyone will suffer.
    I think of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact between Hitler and Stalin.

    >" Seventy-five years ago, on August 23, 1939, the USSR and Nazi Germany became allies through the Stalin-Hitler Pact. Joachim von Ribbentrop signed for Hitler and Soviet foreign minister Vyacheslav Molotov signed on behalf of Stalin. Molotov said that Hitlerism was “a matter of taste,” and that it was “not only senseless, but criminal” to wage war on Hitler “camouflaged as a fight for democracy.” Though often described as a “non-aggression pact,” the reverse was true.

    he month after the Pact, Stalin and Hitler both invaded Poland, starting World War II. The Pact also gave Stalin control of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia, which he retained after the war, along with other conquests such as Czechoslovakia, Hungary and what became the German Democrat Republic, the regime that made emigration an exciting experience.

    While the pact was in effect, Soviet and Nazi intelligence agencies worked together and American Communists did everything in their power to keep the United States from coming to Britain’s aid. During the Pact, the Soviets murdered 22,000 Polish officers in the Katyn forest. That came at the direct order of Stalin, as Russia now acknowledges. Less well known is the reality that Stalin also handed over German Jewish Communists to Hitler’s Gestapo. At the Nuremberg trials after the war, Joachim von Ribbentrop was convicted for signing the Pact while Molotov, who signed for Stalin, sat in the accuser’s chair. So Stalin and his gang got away with it..."<
    The Stalin-Hitler Pact Turns 75 | FrontPage Magazine

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    >" Several media report that Putin, at the meeting of "young historian" in Moscow defended the Hitler-Stalin pact as "not a bad idea". And French and Great Brittan are in responsibility for WW2.

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    Read more at LiveLeak.com - Putin says: Hitler-Stalin pact was a good thing.

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    Re: President Obama sent 'secret letter' to leader of Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I'm sure that NSA is keeping a close eye on you.
    I already took precautions Shrub. I moved my tank into the garage so it's out of sight and and went down to Chino airport and attached a phony propeller on the nose of my F-4 Phantom.

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    Re: President Obama sent 'secret letter' to leader of Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    It's one thing to create an echo chamber within your own immediate staff. But entering discussions with Iran to give them the freedom to finish their nuclear program so that they will help fix your foreign policy disasters is atrocious, and could have been avoided if Obama wasn't actively weeding out everyone he doesn't agree with.
    That's exactly what he has done.

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    Re: President Obama sent 'secret letter' to leader of Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Yeah... Obama should just be more bold.



    Now THAT's a foreign policy.
    yes, indeed! Where do you find fault?

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    Re: President Obama sent 'secret letter' to leader of Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Why is Obama so keen to reach a compromise with a guy responsible for the deaths of thousands of Americans who sponsors terror on a global scale, but not with Republicans? Who does he think are his enemies?
    How is Al Khameini "responsible for the deaths of thousands of Americans"?

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