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    Re: President Obama sent 'secret letter' to leader of Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    You are still throwing stones and cannot even admit that there is a difference between active support that you implied and that not doing anything that actually happened.
    No - I did not say that we actively supported the Iranian government in cracking down on the Green Movement, only that we backed them instead of the Green Movement in that conflict. You are attempting to create a strawman out of that one point (I assume) because you went and looked up the apocalyptic nature of the Twelver Shia regime in Tehran and realized that most of your other arguments were crap.

    And all you've done is pretty much start a war with Iran. Great job!
    Ah. Are we at war with Russia currently due to our feeble, poor, semi-support of the Ukrainian government? How, given that Iran already perceives herself in a low-intensity war with us, do you forsee that our support for the Green Movement would neccessitate moving to a conventional kinetic conflict?

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    Re: President Obama sent 'secret letter' to leader of Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    From your article that you are quoting.. (that I googled up)

    The National Security Council staff, which coordinates U.S. defense, diplomatic and intelligence policy from inside the White House, has nearly doubled in size on his watch. It has gone from about 50 under George H.W. Bush to 100 under Bill Clinton, 200 under George W. Bush and about 370 under Obama.

    So the meetings are growing in size but shrinking at the same time?
    ....... you are conflating two unlike things. Yes, we've added additional staffers. That doesn't mean that policy is being crafted by a larger number of decision-makers, nor does it mean a wider set of decision-makers across governance.

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    Re: President Obama sent 'secret letter' to leader of Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Oh and the finality to it.....until they come up with a new plan.



    Tragic Setbacks for U.S. Allies in Iraq and Syria.....


    Western Iraq saw more brutal bloodshed this weekend after the Islamic State massacred 322 people of the Albu Nimr tribe, a Sunni group, including women and children. The Iraqi government confirmed the attack in the Anbar region, which began on Saturday and continued into Sunday, and was described as "systematic killings."Beyond the lives lost, the success of these "systematic killings" will have a long-term impact on the struggle between ISIS and the Iraqi government. "The fall of the village dampened the Shi'ite-led national government's hopes the Sunni tribesmen of Anbar—who once helped U.S. Marines defeat al Qaeda—would become a formidable force again and help the army take on Iraq's new, far more effective enemy," noted Reuters's Michael Georgy.

    In Syria, the United States faced another setback in its battle against terrorist groups, when weapons distributed to anti-government rebels ended up in the hands of an al-Qaeda splinter group, Jabhat al-Nusra. The weapons provided by the United States included GRAD rockets and TOW anti-tank missiles. It is unclear if the moderate rebels who had been trained by the United States surrendered or defected to the terrorist group. The Independent reported that a U.S.-backed rebel group, Harakat Hazm, surrendered on Saturday night "without firing a shot" after al-Nusra attacked the villages it controlled. Some soldiers apparently defected, and the Syrian Revolutionary Front, another group receiving U.S. support, was driven from its strongholds.....snip~

    Tragic Setbacks for U.S. Allies in Iraq and Syria
    This is the tragic consequence of electing a bumbling leader with no foreign experience, little domestic experience and no experience at governing. Why the electorate ever gave this bumbler a second term will be questioned for generations to come.

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    Re: President Obama sent 'secret letter' to leader of Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Mike Rogers, Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, also Leon Panetta, from Newsweek:

    “It was clear to me - and many others,” Panetta wrote in his memoir, “Worthy Battles,” “that withdrawing all our forces would endanger the fragile stability then barely holding Iraq together.”

    Such arguments were rejected at the time inside the White House, where the foreign policy machine has grown dramatically in power under Obama and cabinet members and their departments have felt marginalized.
    It seems so remarkably conspiratorial but the question is raised ever more frequently as to whose side this really is on.

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    Re: President Obama sent 'secret letter' to leader of Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    This is the tragic consequence of electing a bumbling leader with no foreign experience, little domestic experience and no experience at governing. Why the electorate ever gave this bumbler a second term will be questioned for generations to come.
    Heya Grant. Whats worse is.....it wasn't ISIS. It was al Nusra of AQ. They stormed the Syrian Rebels villages. The Syrian Rebels have been pretty much defeated. This is the second or 3rd time al Nusra has taken weapons from them. To top it off.....Al Nusra is now going after Hezbollah and Lebanon. In which BO just gave Lebanon arms and Hellfire Missiles.

    Now the Sunni in Iraq wont fight for us.....the Shia doesn't want us in Iraq now either. Yet Tuesday BO stated.....It was to early to tell about the Strategy with ISIS.

    Naturally the Election covered that up.


    http://www.debatepolitics.com/war-te...h-lebanon.html

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    Re: President Obama sent 'secret letter' to leader of Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    No - I did not say that we actively supported the Iranian government in cracking down on the Green Movement,
    No? Your post at #49

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill
    Iran's mullah's were supported against their people by the Obama administration.
    Your emphasis, not mine. Only you used italics and seeing how I'm quoting you I can't italicize the already italicized so I had to use bold to show your emphasis.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill
    only that we backed them instead of the Green Movement in that conflict. You are attempting to create a strawman out of that one point (I assume) because you went and looked up the apocalyptic nature of the Twelver Shia regime in Tehran and realized that most of your other arguments were crap.

    Ah. Are we at war with Russia currently due to our feeble, poor, semi-support of the Ukrainian government? How, given that Iran already perceives herself in a low-intensity war with us, do you forsee that our support for the Green Movement would neccessitate moving to a conventional kinetic conflict?
    Listen, I know you are never gonna admit you mispoke and are gonna continue to double down with every post. Let's just save us some time and end this nonsense here. Agreed?
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    Re: President Obama sent 'secret letter' to leader of Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    From your article that you are quoting.. (that I had to googled up)

    The National Security Council staff, which coordinates U.S. defense, diplomatic and intelligence policy from inside the White House, has nearly doubled in size on his watch. It has gone from about 50 under George H.W. Bush to 100 under Bill Clinton, 200 under George W. Bush and about 370 under Obama.

    So the meetings are growing in size but shrinking at the same time?
    The number of people In Obama's immediate policy group is immaterial, especially since you have no idea what role any of them play in the decision making process. The point is that the normal machinations of government in this process have been cast aside by Obama in favor of a decision making group that he controls directly and whose deliberations are not measured by outside influence. By all accounts the diversity of opinion in Foreign affairs has been cut out of the process.

    This is why we have the president sending secret messages to Iran to bypass his own government.
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    Re: President Obama sent 'secret letter' to leader of Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Oh and the finality to it.....until they come up with a new plan.



    Tragic Setbacks for U.S. Allies in Iraq and Syria.....


    Western Iraq saw more brutal bloodshed this weekend after the Islamic State massacred 322 people of the Albu Nimr tribe, a Sunni group, including women and children. The Iraqi government confirmed the attack in the Anbar region, which began on Saturday and continued into Sunday, and was described as "systematic killings."Beyond the lives lost, the success of these "systematic killings" will have a long-term impact on the struggle between ISIS and the Iraqi government. "The fall of the village dampened the Shi'ite-led national government's hopes the Sunni tribesmen of Anbar—who once helped U.S. Marines defeat al Qaeda—would become a formidable force again and help the army take on Iraq's new, far more effective enemy," noted Reuters's Michael Georgy.

    In Syria, the United States faced another setback in its battle against terrorist groups, when weapons distributed to anti-government rebels ended up in the hands of an al-Qaeda splinter group, Jabhat al-Nusra. The weapons provided by the United States included GRAD rockets and TOW anti-tank missiles. It is unclear if the moderate rebels who had been trained by the United States surrendered or defected to the terrorist group. The Independent reported that a U.S.-backed rebel group, Harakat Hazm, surrendered on Saturday night "without firing a shot" after al-Nusra attacked the villages it controlled. Some soldiers apparently defected, and the Syrian Revolutionary Front, another group receiving U.S. support, was driven from its strongholds.....snip~

    Tragic Setbacks for U.S. Allies in Iraq and Syria
    How tragic for those that were senselessly killed! And their God supposedly encourages this? I can't believe that - it's a man-made rule that they are following, not a religious one, IMO! Disgusting is the most polite word I can use here to express my thoughts on the savagery being perpetrated! It's okay to kill children? Even cavemen were more advanced than those jackals!

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    Re: President Obama sent 'secret letter' to leader of Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The number of people In Obama's immediate policy group is immaterial, especially since you have no idea what role any of them play in the decision making process. The point is that the normal machinations of government in this process have been cast aside by Obama in favor of a decision making group that he controls directly. By all accounts the diversity of opinion in Foreign affairs has been cut out of the process.
    Yeah... Obama should just be more bold.



    Now THAT's a foreign policy.
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    Re: President Obama sent 'secret letter' to leader of Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Yeah... Obama should just be more bold.



    Now THAT's a foreign policy.

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