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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Sutton is extremely well respected by Scalia (he clerked for Scalia) Roberts, Alito, Thomas, and Kennedy. Some say Roberts silly splitting the baby was partially influenced by Sutton's opinion upholding Obama Care. Don't underestimate this when the Supremes hear the case. There are Very Few Circuit judges with the intellectual acuity of Judge Sutton: one being fellow 6th Circuit member Raymond Klethledge who is also a W appointee
    What are you suggesting, that SCOTUS would actually take the case and *uphold* this ruling? If that were in the cards, they wouldn't have punted the other circuit appeals, all of which struck down SSM bans.

    As far as punting now, Ginsberg's statement makes it pretty clear that won't happen

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

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    What are you suggesting, that SCOTUS would actually take the case and *uphold* this ruling? If that were in the cards, they wouldn't have punted the other circuit appeals, all of which struck down SSM bans.

    As far as punting now, Ginsberg's statement makes it pretty clear that won't happen
    a conflict generally requires the Supremes to make a tough call. I expect another 5-4 decision

    Roberts is big on "elections have consequences".



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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    a conflict generally requires the Supremes to make a tough call. I expect another 5-4 decision

    Roberts is big on "elections have consequences".
    Probably will be 5-4 but i don't understand why the outcome would be diff from striking down DOMA, which Roberts did not vote for anyway. The gay rights rulings pretty much all line up with the judges' personal views, going back to 1980s at least.

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

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    Probably will be 5-4 but i don't understand why the outcome would be diff from striking down DOMA, which Roberts did not vote for anyway. The gay rights rulings pretty much all line up with the judges' personal views, going back to 1980s at least.
    It will be interesting to see what happens and the reasoning



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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    What are you suggesting, that SCOTUS would actually take the case and *uphold* this ruling? If that were in the cards, they wouldn't have punted the other circuit appeals, all of which struck down SSM bans.

    As far as punting now, Ginsberg's statement makes it pretty clear that won't happen
    I think the SCOTUS has no choice but to take it up. If they don't the 4 states that fall under the sixth court gay marriage bans will be legal and Constitutional. Whereas other states that fall under different court of appeals that ruled differently, the bans would be illegal and unconstitutional. That is if the SCOTUS continues to refuse to hear gay marriage cases.
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    It will be interesting to see what happens and the reasoning
    Indeed. One other thing to consider, if SCOTUS upheld this ruling, then all marriages in the dozen or so states that took place since they punted the other cases would suddenly become invalid. I certainly don't see Kennedy, the only justice on your list of Sutton backers who did vote against DOMA, taking that step. I mean, he wrote the majority opinion in lawrence v texas...

    Although i'll grant you, i certainly do predict scalia and roberts will not give a damn about those couples and their rights.

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

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    Indeed. One other thing to consider, if SCOTUS upheld this ruling, then all marriages in the dozen or so states that took place since they punted the other cases would suddenly become invalid. I certainly don't see Kennedy, the only justice on your list of Sutton backers who did vote against DOMA, taking that step. I mean, he wrote the majority opinion in lawrence v texas...

    Although i'll grant you, i certainly do predict scalia and roberts will not give a damn about those couples and their rights.
    in all fairness, that is not the focus or should be



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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    in all fairness, that is not the focus or should be
    edit: never mind, the willful neglect of the human toll from legal rulings is why i'm not going into the profession in the first place
    Last edited by chromium; 11-07-14 at 12:16 AM.

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Gringo allstar View Post
    Some people I guess, you know like slave holders and racist judges. Just remember some people also believe Elvis is still alive. Any ruling a judge will make will be upholding the will of somebody so the point is moot.
    You're right. Take any ridiculous idea, there's some loony toon out there that believes it.

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