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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Are you really under the impression that the people in the south were against segregation and those dastardly judges forced it on them?
    Actually Deuce your whole party was for slavery back then. Be it judges or the average joe, the democrats were all about segregation and slavery for people that felt were inferior to them(white democrats). I would think you would have done some research on your party of choice?

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    That was the argument the segregationists used as well...
    You seem to know a lot about segregation?? SouthernDemocrat..

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    To help me not have to read the entire ruling, and since it wasn't described in the article (which I did read), what citation from the Constitution did the court cite as the basis of the ruling?
    They glossed over virtually all modern court decisions surrounding marriage and treatment of gay individuals and relied on the 11 word summary judgment of Baker v. Nelson.

    Here is the decision (it starts on page 17)
    http://sblog.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-con...ng-11-6-14.pdf

    The dissent starts on page 53, and basically answers your question about how poorly the court ruled.

    The author of the majority opinion has drafted what would make an engrossing TED Talk
    or, possibly, an introductory lecture in Political Philosophy. But as an appellate court decision, it
    wholly fails to grapple with the relevant constitutional question in this appeal: whether a state’s
    constitutional prohibition of same-sex marriage violates equal protection under the Fourteenth
    Amendment. Instead, the majority sets up a false premise—that the question before us is “who
    should decide?”—and leads us through a largely irrelevant discourse on democracy and
    federalism.


    She nailed it.
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Also, fun fact: Over the past 5 years, 24 out of the 25 decisions by the sixth circuit appealed to SCOTUS have been reversed. That's the worst in the nation. Not a very good track record.
    "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free."
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Gringo allstar View Post
    Actually Deuce your whole party was for slavery back then. Be it judges or the average joe, the democrats were all about segregation and slavery for people that felt were inferior to them(white democrats). I would think you would have done some research on your party of choice?
    So it was the will of the people?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Gringo allstar View Post
    You seem to know a lot about segregation?? SouthernDemocrat..
    Oh look. He's playing the race card.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Your understanding of Roe v Wade is fatally flawed.
    You don't say. Fatally, yet! Well, come ahead, then. Don't just make a one-sentence assertion and run away--tell us all just how and why it's "fatally flawed." I haven't said anything the foremost constitutional law experts in the U.S. haven't been saying for forty years. Press the point, and I will quote some of their withering criticisms of that God-awful turkey of a decision.

    Please, draw on your undoubted expertise in substantive due process doctrine and the implied constitutional right to personal privacy to explain what I'm failing to understand. Feel free to discuss the line of cases beginning with Meyer and Pierce, and extending through Skinner, Loving, Moore, Griswold, etc.

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Oh look. He's playing the race card.
    No Deuce that's what you guys do, I'm just playing the game with you guys. Its fun isn't it?

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    They glossed over virtually all modern court decisions surrounding marriage and treatment of gay individuals and relied on the 11 word summary judgment of Baker v. Nelson.

    Here is the decision (it starts on page 17)
    http://sblog.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-con...ng-11-6-14.pdf

    The dissent starts on page 53, and basically answers your question about how poorly the court ruled.

    The author of the majority opinion has drafted what would make an engrossing TED Talk
    or, possibly, an introductory lecture in Political Philosophy. But as an appellate court decision, it
    wholly fails to grapple with the relevant constitutional question in this appeal: whether a state’s
    constitutional prohibition of same-sex marriage violates equal protection under the Fourteenth
    Amendment. Instead, the majority sets up a false premise—that the question before us is “who
    should decide?”—and leads us through a largely irrelevant discourse on democracy and
    federalism.


    She nailed it.

    Now how on earth could any federal judge imagine that federalism, or the right of the people of a state to make their laws, had anything to do with the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment?

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    So it was the will of the people?
    Yes slavery was the will of the southern democrats also known as "people" just like racist judges can also be refered to as "people"

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