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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    That actually means quite a lot. Marriage laws are a state's right issue and if people want to change them, their legislature should address that. If the current trend continues, all states will eventually sanction homosexual marriages. And I'm satisfied with each state doing that when the will of the people in the state dictates it be done.
    I'm not satisfied with unconstitutional infringement on individual liberty based on nothing more than a moral disapproval of the majority, but to each their own, friend.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

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    Yes, they could have. It just never occurred to anyone back then to separate living together as married and receiving recognition for that.
    No, they couldn't have, for reasons already described.

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    they could have only addressed the question asked of them, did it violate the constitution to imprison interracial couples for living together as married? The Lovings wanted to live together in Virginia without getting arrested
    They did only address the question asked of them. What other questions do you believe they addressed other than the one raised by the plaintiffs?

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Plenty of evidence for it, including some surveys done that take into account IQ and educational level in relation to support for or against same sex marriage.
    Like you often point out, that's is all subjective.

    Personally I think one is quite stupid for spitting in the face of God.
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Stunning rebuttal.

    You can add in all the opinion polls too. So, I have recent voting trends and a decade's worth of opinion polls. What's your evidence?
    I blame a lot of whatever support there is for gays/SSM on cultural peer pressure.

    Bring on that popular vote and then we can get started looking for that Gay Liberia.
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Like you often point out, that's is all subjective.

    Personally I think one is quite stupid for spitting in the face of God.
    Intelligence levels can be subjective, since there are different levels and types of intelligence. However, there are several studies out there on many of those levels and types.

    Support For Same-Sex Marriage Edges Upward | Pew Research Center for the People and the Press

    Note education levels and support for and against.

    FreakoStats: The Stupidity of Opposing Gay Rights

    Leaders of industry, MENSA members, so many people who are viewed as "intelligent", from most standpoints support same sex marriage. Even in the military, my rate was considered the rate for the smart people (there were mandatory prerequisites to be a nuke based on academic scores) and even before this debate really got heated nationally, you could see the larger level of support amongst nukes for gays compared to any other rating.
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    I blame a lot of whatever support there is for gays/SSM on cultural peer pressure.

    Bring on that popular vote and then we can get started looking for that Gay Liberia.
    Nope. We'll stick with the more constitutional way, the courts, while still increasing the acceptance with the public, as is evident to the majority is happening, even if some still wish to live in denial.
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Intelligence levels can be subjective, since there are different levels and types of intelligence. However, there are several studies out there on many of those levels and types.

    Support For Same-Sex Marriage Edges Upward | Pew Research Center for the People and the Press

    Note education levels and support for and against.

    FreakoStats: The Stupidity of Opposing Gay Rights

    Leaders of industry, MENSA members, so many people who are viewed as "intelligent", from most standpoints support same sex marriage. Even in the military, my rate was considered the rate for the smart people (there were mandatory prerequisites to be a nuke based on academic scores) and even before this debate really got heated nationally, you could see the larger level of support amongst nukes for gays compared to any other rating.
    All those polls are based on telephone interview opinions of less than 2000 people nationwide. We need a popular internet vote of all adults.

    The second guy is a blogger who thinks way too much of himself. Please!
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    All those polls are based on telephone interview opinions of less than 2000 people nationwide. We need a popular internet vote of all adults.

    The second guy is a blogger who thinks way too much of himself. Please!
    And yet still more than you have to counter it or to show that same sex marriage support hasn't grown in every state since their bans were passed, as you originally asserted.
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    I blame a lot of whatever support there is for gays/SSM on cultural peer pressure.

    Bring on that popular vote and then we can get started looking for that Gay Liberia.
    You say peer pressure, I say "people changing their mind."

    Your guys lost all four ballot measures in 2012, none came up in 2014, and this will be over by 2016 so I guess we'll never find out how long the win streak would continue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    All those polls are based on telephone interview opinions of less than 2000 people nationwide. We need a popular internet vote of all adults.

    The second guy is a blogger who thinks way too much of himself. Please!

    Excellent. So I can ignore Obamas job approval rating because you didn't ask everybody. Also, what are statistics?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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