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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    So it means little that a decade ago that bans on SSCM passed with 23-76% margins of victory, that in 2008/2009 Prop 8 and Question 1 (California and Maine respectively) squeaked by where only a 2.5% change in the vote would have changed the outcome, and that in 2012 4-ballot initiatives appeared on the General election ballots and the pro-Marriage Equality side won in each case...

    Those facts mean very little.


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    That actually means quite a lot. Marriage laws are a state's right issue and if people want to change them, their legislature should address that. If the current trend continues, all states will eventually sanction homosexual marriages. And I'm satisfied with each state doing that when the will of the people in the state dictates it be done.
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    How do you envision they could have ruled that would have had a much more narrow impact? The 14th amendment only applies to the Lovings?
    They could have ruled as many antissm here claim, only towards interracial couples. They could have said (in far more words) that the Lovings and other interracial couples had a right to be together as a couple, live together, but not be recognized as legally married. After all that is what ssm opponents claim same sex couples don't have a right to, legal recognition.
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Freedom ain't free buddy.
    No people fight for it, including in the courts.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    You have no way of proving that to be factual. [relying on the opinions of mush-minds is never a good idea]
    You have no proof to the contrary.

    Oh and the most intelligent people support ssm in huge percentages.
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You have no proof to the contrary.

    Oh and the most intelligent people support ssm in huge percentages.
    That is for sure unprovable.
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    That is for sure unprovable.

    Not only that, probably one of the most elites slips of the tongue I've heard from Rogue.


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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    They could have ruled as many antissm here claim, only towards interracial couples. They could have said (in far more words) that the Lovings and other interracial couples had a right to be together as a couple, live together, but not be recognized as legally married. After all that is what ssm opponents claim same sex couples don't have a right to, legal recognition.
    That was not the question that the court was asked to consider, and it was not an argument made by the State of Virginia. So no, they could not have made such a ruling.

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    That was not the question that the court was asked to consider, and it was not an argument made by the State of Virginia. So no, they could not have made such a ruling.
    Yes, they could have. It just never occurred to anyone back then to separate living together as married and receiving recognition for that.

    I'm not saying they should have done it or that doing it wouldn't have caused another constitutional conflict, only that they could have only addressed the question asked of them, did it violate the constitution to imprison interracial couples for living together as married? The Lovings wanted to live together in Virginia without getting arrested
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    That is for sure unprovable.
    Plenty of evidence for it, including some surveys done that take into account IQ and educational level in relation to support for or against same sex marriage.
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    That means very little.
    Stunning rebuttal.

    You can add in all the opinion polls too. So, I have recent voting trends and a decade's worth of opinion polls. What's your evidence?
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