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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You're preaching to the choir. Gringo Star has no idea what the will of the people actually means.
    This is cute^^^

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Gringo allstar View Post

    No it was a decision made by men in black robes who were racist bigots. It had nothing to do with the will of the "southern people" it had everything to do with the will of racist judges. This really isn't that hard if you would take the time to think it through. Who's hard up for an argument?? Nice try but you failed miserably.
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Gringo allstar View Post
    No it was a decision made by men in black robes who were racist bigots. It had nothing to do with the will of the "southern people" it had everything to do with the will of racist judges. This really isn't that hard if you would take the time to think it through. Who's hard up for an argument?? Nice try but you failed miserably.
    Are you really under the impression that the people in the south were against segregation and those dastardly judges forced it on them?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Ummm, I'm not the one arguing that courts are supposed to uphold the will of the people. That's absolute f'n nonsense and plain ignorance. But hey, we can have a debate on it. You down?
    No you're arguing that the courts should overturn the will of the people, as in the state constitution of MI. Which they did, now stop whining although you wear it well.

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

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    Are you really under the impression that the people in the south were against segregation and those dastardly judges forced it on them?
    That's not what i said, reread the post so you can grasp the meaning of it.

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    mainly the will of the voters should be respected. I have to see which panel was on it (three judges)

    I suggest that a request for a ruling en banc will happen first but maybe not

    that would mean all of the judges on the circuit rehear the case. You can get a panel that decides in a way that most of the judges would disagree


    ah it was Judge Sutton (very "conservative but he upheld Obamacare and he is one of the two real intellectual heavyweights on the Circuit), Judge Cook (another conservative also from Ohio) in the majority with Clinton Appointee Marta Craig Daughtery dissenting

    I have argued before Cook and MCD and both are pretty good. Sutton is a superstar and has been mentioned as a USSC justice but he has lately been surpassed by another Bush appointee who is less flamboyant but equally bright

    2-1 might mean en banc
    They aren't very bright at all if this is how they ruled

    Then again, the best i could say for them is compartmentalized insanity

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Deciding constitutional questions is not "legislating from the bench", it is in fact the very role of the judicial system in our system of checks and balances.
    That's the role the Supreme Court arrogated to itself in Marbury v. Madison two centuries ago. But the Court is not necessarily the final arbiter of what the Constitution means, even though it has also claimed that authority.

    The Supreme Court can and sometimes does make law, while claiming just to be deciding a constitutional question. I think a survey of the leading constitutional law professors and lawyers in the U.S. would show most of them believe that's exactly what the Court did in Roe v. Wade, for example--even the ones who like the outcome. The Supreme Court itself has backed well away from Roe. For example, the Roe Court declared (without even trying to justify it) that abortion is a fundamental right; but the Court is no longer willing to claim that, and hasn't been for more than twenty years.

    This Sixth Circuit decision must make Anthony Kennedy think his big chance is coming to write the new Roe, only this time concocting a constitutional "right" to same-sex marriage. Justice Kennedy has for years been riding point for the proponents of the homosexual agenda on the Court. He authored all three of the Court's pro-homosexual decisions--Romer v. Evans in 1996; Lawrence v. Texas in 2003; and Windsor v. United States last year. Kennedy grew up in Sacramento. As a high school student there he got to meet Earl Warren, later to become the Chief Justice, when he was Governor of California. Sometimes Kennedy seems to think he's Warren's reincarnation, riding around like a white knight righting everything he views as a social wrong.

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Since when does the "will of the people" define the rights, benefits and privileges of others? Thanks for endorsing mob tyranny.
    What these fed judges fail to realize is if the mob mentality rules all, there is no point to having fed judges.

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    When the courts do not let the people resolve new social issues like this one, they perpetuate the idea that the heroes in these change events are judges and lawyers. Better in this instance, we think, to allow change through the customary political processes, in which the people, gay and straight alike, become the heroes of their own stories by meeting each other not as adversaries in a court system but as fellow citizens seeking to resolve a new social issue in a fair-minded way
    This was in the ruling. How on earth does a judge at this level even mention something like this? This is constitutional reasoning now?
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    That's the role the Supreme Court arrogated to itself in Marbury v. Madison two centuries ago. But the Court is not necessarily the final arbiter of what the Constitution means, even though it has also claimed that authority.

    The Supreme Court can and sometimes does make law, while claiming just to be deciding a constitutional question. I think a survey of the leading constitutional law professors and lawyers in the U.S. would show most of them believe that's exactly what the Court did in Roe v. Wade, for example--even the ones who like the outcome. The Supreme Court itself has backed well away from Roe. For example, the Roe Court declared (without even trying to justify it) that abortion is a fundamental right; but the Court is no longer willing to claim that, and hasn't been for more than twenty years.

    This Sixth Circuit decision must make Anthony Kennedy think his big chance is coming to write the new Roe, only this time concocting a constitutional "right" to same-sex marriage. Justice Kennedy has for years been riding point for the proponents of the homosexual agenda on the Court. He authored all three of the Court's pro-homosexual decisions--Romer v. Evans in 1996; Lawrence v. Texas in 2003; and Windsor v. United States last year. Kennedy grew up in Sacramento. As a high school student there he got to meet Earl Warren, later to become the Chief Justice, when he was Governor of California. Sometimes Kennedy seems to think he's Warren's reincarnation, riding around like a white knight righting everything he views as a social wrong.
    Your understanding of Roe v Wade is fatally flawed.
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    Uh oh Megyn...your vagina witchcraft is about ready to be exposed.

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