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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    It arose from a shift in thinking about mental illness toward relativism. This is covered in the abnormal psychology chapter of most introductory psychology texts.
    It is because there were lots of people who believed (wrongly) that something like a woman who didn't want to do housework or who wanted to wear pants had a mental illness, something that wasn't true. I am taking introductory psychology courses now and there absolutely is nothing that says that people were released from mental institutions due to some "feel good philosophy" that ended up with the majority of those people ending up in jail after that release.

    If you think differently, prove it. I know what you are trying to use, but that "research"/report does not say what you are claiming. The reason those people are ending up in jail is because they either haven't been treated/evaluated at all until after they end up in prison or jail or they were released and money issues meant they didn't get the proper treatment/support for them.
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

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    A very odd interpretation given the case that they were dealing with.
    Not really.

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It is because there were lots of people who believed (wrongly) that something like a woman who didn't want to do housework or who wanted to wear pants had a mental illness, something that wasn't true.
    Women were not committed to mental institutions for not doing housework, lol. These were people (mostly men) with schizophrenia and other psychoses. The hope was that they could give them a bottle of thorazine and they'd go on to live happy, productive lives. In the mid-60s, the field was significantly influenced by cultural relativism and the idea that what was normal was merely a cultural label; that what we call a delusional schizophrenic in the US might be considered a visionary shaman somewhere else. Eventually, a lot of these visionary shamen ended up homeless on the streets or in prison. If this wasn't covered in your intro class, it should be when/if you take a course in abnormal psych. There almost always is a section on ways to define or think about what it means to be abnormal.
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Women were not committed to mental institutions for not doing housework, lol. These were people with schizophrenia and other psychoses. The hope was that they could give them a bottle of thorazine and they'd go on to live happy, productive lives. In the mid-60s, the field was significantly influenced by cultural relativism and the idea that what was normal was merely a cultural label; that what we call a delusional schizophrenic in the US might be considered a visionary shaman somewhere else. Eventually, a lot of these visionary shamen ended up homeless on the streets or in prison. If this wasn't covered in your intro class, it should be when/if you take a course in abnormal psych.
    Yes, they were around the early 1900s and earlier.

    Involuntary Commitment

    Husbands ridding themselves of wives via the psychiatric institution was still enough of a problem in the 1930s that the first woman in Maine's legislature, Gail Laughlin, authorized a bill penalizing husbands for bringing false testimony in the involuntary commitment hearings of their wives. I worked with a patient who in the 1960s had been brought to the hospital by her husband. The chief complaint listed on the admitting record was: "Patient does not do her housework."
    While this might not have been "common", it wasn't unheard of for many if any mental institutions in the past to have a husband basically drop off his wife at such a place and claim she didn't do something she was supposed to do or claim she did something that "went against social convention" to have her committed and he got rid of her.
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Yes, they were around the early 1900s and earlier.

    Involuntary Commitment



    While this might not have been "common", it wasn't unheard of for many if any mental institutions in the past to have a husband basically drop off his wife at such a place and claim she didn't do something she was supposed to do or claim she did something that "went against social convention" to have her committed and he got rid of her.
    It also relies entirely on what they mean by "not doing her housework". Was she a horder living in appalling squalor?
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Yes, they were around the early 1900s and earlier.

    Involuntary Commitment



    While this might not have been "common", it wasn't unheard of for many if any mental institutions in the past to have a husband basically drop off his wife at such a place and claim she didn't do something she was supposed to do or claim she did something that "went against social convention" to have her committed and he got rid of her.
    You left off:
    I think she did actually have a recurrent depression, a symptom of which was her inability to care for herself and her home.
    So she wasn't committed for refusing to do housework, that was just the way the husband described the symptoms of what was a condition that made her unable to care for herself or perform everyday tasks.

    It's probable that there were more egregious cases a century ago, but I was referring to the 1960's, which was when a lot of the deinstitutionalization occurred.

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

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    I don't want to get into a scientific discussion - I don't have the expertise - but what's to say that homosexuality isn't a form of natural selection, in all species, or a form of population control, in all species. As I said above, if something appears naturally, it's normal to me.
    Cancer appears naturally but, I'd hope it's not normal.
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Whether something is normal or abnormal, natural or unnatural doesn't determine whether it is "good" or "bad", "right" or "wrong", "moral" or "immoral".
    Then who does decide that? A majority of voters? One guy or gal in a black robe? A legislative body?
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    It also relies entirely on what they mean by "not doing her housework". Was she a horder living in appalling squalor?
    No. This was simply the mentality back then. That a woman that was unwilling to do her housework must be mentally disabled, the same mentality that said that someone who wanted to be in relationships with people of the same sex must be mentally screwed up. So much was seen as a mental problem back then that was simply a person who deviated from social norms.
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Then who does decide that? A majority of voters? One guy or gal in a black robe? A legislative body?
    Many people get a say in it, but the main say comes from the Constitution, the default of which is freedom for all. It should only be limited to further a state interest. That is what decides, and that is upheld by those people in black robes (in case you weren't aware, there are 9 of them), but they are kept in check by other things, such as the necessary process to get to them (which is many more people in black robes). The voters and the legislative bodies have a say as well.

    Our rights are determined by what we are willing to fight for, especially in a case like this where people are trying to prevent others from doing something just because people feel they should be able to.
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