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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Please, hostility towards homosexuality has been around long before marriage rights was even a topic.





    Well like it or not, a lot of heterosexuals DO consider it to be normal. Perhaps take it up with them?

    Sure, everyone wants to fit in, but a lot of us give up on that early on. Abnormal/different isn't inherently bad anyway. The key is not being treated as *inferior* despite our differences. Efforts to eliminate homosexuality are predicated on this notion that it's inferior and harmful. All most of us are concerned with is avoiding interference in our lives now. If the homophobes showed one iota of concern for that, guess what, you might not see so much "woe is me, why do i have to be gay?" Then there would be no "need" to find a genetic 'fix' because it would truly be a harmless trait to have.




    This is so preposterous it belongs in "conspiracy theory." Sounds like you don't know your brother at all, or he fell in love with someone who didn't fully reciprocate. It happens. If we're just gonna rely on anecdotal tales, i take the word of actual homosexuals who insist their sexuality isn't contingent on "encouragement"
    The fact that some or even many need no encouragement isn't proof that recruitment isn't an important part of homosexual culture. But here's a homosexual who broke the code of silence on the subject.

    Can We Please Just Start Admitting That We Do Actually Want To Indoctrinate Kids? / Queerty
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Great. Post the evidence that supports your assertion that living in a committed relationship doesn't bring most of the benefits of marriage without a piece of paper stamped by some official sanctioning it. Thanks.
    Here you go.

    The Case for Marriage: Why Married People Are Happier, Healthier, and Better off Financially*|*PsychPage

    But as I've suggested it has to deal with the level of the commitment in the relationship and cohabiting does not necessarily mean that the couple is committed.

    The official stamp of marriage is for the legal relationship it sets up, not for the level of commitment, but it does go into proving that commitment to each other. It proves to the other that you do take your relationship serious, which can improve the level of trust in the relationship for many people.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    And just to piggyback on that, isn't it funny that courts are quite capable of establishing rights related to common-law relationships, the financial product of those relationships, and the offspring of those relationships and yet those who support government sanction/involvement in marriage claim that without the government piece of paper, people would have no protection of their rights in law.
    Courts cannot recognize or establish those rights or everything within the relationship of marriage nearly as efficiently or easily as just that single document, the marriage license, can. That is the entire point. One document that you get from a person behind a desk (takes about 15 minutes in most places, if that, depending on line) vs having to go to court or at least to a judge's chamber to go over each and every detail, likely needing a lawyer to help iron everything else.
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    The fact that some or even many need no encouragement isn't proof that recruitment isn't an important part of homosexual culture. But here's a homosexual who broke the code of silence on the subject.

    Can We Please Just Start Admitting That We Do Actually Want To Indoctrinate Kids? / Queerty
    I can't speak definitively, but I think it would be very abnormal, to use a term you like, for homosexuals to be "indoctrinating kids" into homosexuality. That would defy the logic of most homosexuals who believe they are genetically or naturally homosexual and not indoctrinated or brainwashed into same sex behaviour. Just as uniquely, there's a whole subclass of female who believes they can turn gay men straight - if a man is gay, he just hasn't met a sufficiently sexually talented female.
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Here you go.

    The Case for Marriage: Why Married People Are Happier, Healthier, and Better off Financially*|*PsychPage

    But as I've suggested it has to deal with the level of the commitment in the relationship and cohabiting does not necessarily mean that the couple is committed.

    The official stamp of marriage is for the legal relationship it sets up, not for the level of commitment, but it does go into proving that commitment to each other. It proves to the other that you do take your relationship serious, which can improve the level of trust in the relationship for many people.
    So you are arguing that without marriage there cannot be trust and without that trust that can only come through marriage, all those benefits don't take place. OK, but I ask again, where is your proof? I find it incredible that people who are committed to each other can only have sufficient trust to achieve any or even all those listed benefits if they got a marriage licence.
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    For the most part, "heteros" only think about you when you make them think about you. Demanding that marriage be redefined to make it genderless would be one of those things that makes heteros "think about you".

    The reason why less than 10% of homosexuals marry in countries where homosexual marriages are sanctioned is because most homosexuals don't want to be married. They just want to say that it's no different than heterosexuality. Now "why" that would be is something we'll never be able to discuss honestly, I'm sure, but a good clue would be that homosexuals would be very, very happy if more people were homosexual. As much pissing and moaning about how hard life is as a homosexual and "why would anyone choose this sort of awful life" hand-wringing, any mention of a genetic fix that would prevent babies from being homosexual brings down hell's fury from homosexuals on anyone suggesting such an awful thing. That should be enough to point people toward the truth of the matter. Homosexuals want to encourage homosexuality. And "normalizing" homosexuality makes it easier to do that. My own brother has tried the "recruitment" routine. I still remember the big kerfuffle when his "curious" boyfriend wouldn't tell his parents that he was queer. His boyfriend gave up the homosexual experimentation after that and went on to get married and start a family.

    This is the dirty secret that homosexuals will never admit as long as there are any states that maintain traditional marriage requirements. It's all about normalization of homosexuality and the reason that's so important is because it makes it easier to recruit anyone that's confused or weak minded. It means a larger pool of potential sex partners. It means more members of the "GLBT community".
    It is only being redefined in your mind and those who believe like you, which is no longer the majority, even of heterosexuals.

    Homosexuality is "normal" in that it does exist and has throughout mankind's existence, at least. It is just as normal as being lefthanded or having two different colored eyes.
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    So what? In some civilizations cannibalism is the norm. Just because something isn't culturally acceptable to us in western society doesn't mean it's abnormal. It's only abnormal in the narrow context in which it's viewed.
    The reverse is equally true; just because something is "natural" does not mean that it should be culturally accepted by a society. Personally, I favor allowing SSM as a state sanctioned relationship option (as well as some others), but I have no reason to get more than my one vote on the matter. Once we start down the path to what compelling state interest supports any "standard" then we are in for some serious time wasting.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    So you are arguing that without marriage there cannot be trust and without that trust that can only come through marriage, all those benefits don't take place. OK, but I ask again, where is your proof? I find it incredible that people who are committed to each other can only have sufficient trust to achieve any or even all those listed benefits if they got a marriage licence.
    No. I'm arguing that people are different, and at this current time, people are more trusting of proof that someone is committed, particularly in a way that helps to protect both of their interests, as legal marriage does.
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Courts cannot recognize or establish those rights or everything within the relationship of marriage nearly as efficiently or easily as just that single document, the marriage license, can. That is the entire point. One document that you get from a person behind a desk (takes about 15 minutes in most places, if that, depending on line) vs having to go to court or at least to a judge's chamber to go over each and every detail, likely needing a lawyer to help iron everything else.
    So only a marriage license issued by government can determine the rights and responsibilities of two parties in a contract?

    Those who enter into business and employment contracts should be clamouring for government to sanction their agreements with a magical piece of government paper.
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Are you kidding me? There are lots of examples of cannibalism in nature too.

    Cannibalism (zoology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Whether something is normal or abnormal, natural or unnatural doesn't determine whether it is "good" or "bad", "right" or "wrong", "moral" or "immoral".
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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