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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Lmao, you're desperate for an argument. Legalizing gay marriage has absolutely no impact on the majority other than hurt feelings and having to adhere to non-discrimination laws. It restricts no rights whatsoever. Don't like gay marriage? Don't get married to someone of the same gender.
    Correction.. You're desperate for an argument because it didn't go your way, get over it.

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Gringo allstar View Post
    Correction.. You're desperate for an argument because it didn't go your way, get over it.
    Ummm, I'm not the one arguing that courts are supposed to uphold the will of the people. That's absolute f'n nonsense and plain ignorance. But hey, we can have a debate on it. You down?
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    This judge pretty much just dared the USSC to legislate from the bench.. Double Dog dared them..


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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Gringo allstar View Post
    Since when is a couple liberal Dbags in black robes wiser the millions of MI voters?
    That was the argument the segregationists used as well...
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Deciding constitutional questions is not "legislating from the bench", it is in fact the very role of the judicial system in our system of checks and balances.
    Stop it, we're poking too many holes in the "will of the people" arguments. I mean, if the will of the people was to have slavery, should courts uphold it? If the people voted to restrict the rights of X group, should that be upheld? The best part is that making gay marriage legal, somehow oppresses the majority.
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Stop it, we're poking too many holes in the "will of the people" arguments. I mean, if the will of the people was to have slavery, should courts uphold it? If the people voted to restrict the rights of X group, should that be upheld? The best part is that making gay marriage legal, somehow oppresses the majority.
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Stop it, we're poking too many holes in the "will of the people" arguments. I mean, if the will of the people was to have slavery, should courts uphold it? If the people voted to restrict the rights of X group, should that be upheld? The best part is that making gay marriage legal, somehow oppresses the majority.
    Well, it isn't quite like that though. The ultimate "will of the people" is the US constitution, and judges cannot overturn that. The people can and have amended that constitution, and judges are then bound by their will. SO theoretically, if the people are able to amend the constitution making slavery legal, judges would have to uphold that. The problem is not "will of the people", it is that people do not understand what that means.

    AS the constitution represents the ultimate will of the people, it is the job of judges to determine what is and is not constitutional. Saying "the people should decide" is not how the system is supposed to work. A law is, by it's nature, either constitutional or unconstitutional. And no state gets to override that ultimate arbiter of the will of the people.
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    [QUOTE=Hatuey;1063952191]You do realize that Dred Scott is regarded as a terrible decision because it was made in order to uphold the will of the (Southern) people. Yes? I don't think you actually thought that argument through too well.[/QUO

    No it was a decision made by men in black robes who were racist bigots. It had nothing to do with the will of the "southern people" it had everything to do with the will of racist judges. This really isn't that hard if you would take the time to think it through. Who's hard up for an argument?? Nice try but you failed miserably.

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Well, it isn't quite like that though. The ultimate "will of the people" is the US constitution, and judges cannot overturn that. The people can and have amended that constitution, and judges are then bound by their will. SO theoretically, if the people are able to amend the constitution making slavery legal, judges would have to uphold that. The problem is not "will of the people", it is that people do not understand what that means.

    AS the constitution represents the ultimate will of the people, it is the job of judges to determine what is and is not constitutional. Saying "the people should decide" is not how the system is supposed to work. A law is, by it's nature, either constitutional or unconstitutional. And no state gets to override that ultimate arbiter of the will of the people.
    You're preaching to the choir. Gringo Star has no idea what the will of the people actually means.
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    That was the argument the segregationists used as well...
    Democrat segregationist I believe.

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