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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    It was a nice diversionary tactic. Try to make the discussion about me, personally, instead of the issue. Do you have any more personal remarks to make or can the discussion get back on topic?
    I'm merely being sensitive to your trauma. After a man hit on you were there any support groups available for you to join? It's not healthy to keep these things bottled up inside.

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    There's no need to abuse any words provided that there's no need to label homosexuality in derogatory terms. It's normal, from my perspective, because there are lots of examples of homosexual behaviour throughout nature. I don't consider a minority, regardless of the category, to be abnormal. They're just simply different. Not sure what makes my life's normal any more normal than another person's normal. As long as all individuals respect all individuals, nobody loses out.
    Are you kidding me? There are lots of examples of cannibalism in nature too.

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    I see you don't have anything to say about the actual topic and would really just prefer to insult me personally. Excellent.
    I'd simply ignore the baiting, if I were you. I don't necessarily agree with some of your views about the "normalcy" of homosexuality, but I see nothing wrong or trivial about your views or you holding them. Those who wish to see understanding and acceptance sometimes have a way of being their own worst enemies and further driving a wedge between people of opposing views.
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

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    Are you kidding me? There are lots of examples of cannibalism in nature too.

    Cannibalism (zoology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    The value of a natural behavior is another topic. The point is that if it can be found in nature then the naturalistic argument falls apart.

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I don't want to get into a scientific discussion - I don't have the expertise - but what's to say that homosexuality isn't a form of natural selection, in all species, or a form of population control, in all species. As I said above, if something appears naturally, it's normal to me.
    OK. So you have a very different semantic conception of "normal" than most people. I suppose there's nothing wrong with that. Just don't expect that to be the "normal" interpretation of the word.
    You can't reason anyone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into in the first place.

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    It's not about elaborate plots. It's about ulterior motives.
    That the LGBT community wants gay marriage legalized to normalize being gay to grow (lol fat cock) their community and have more sex partners? That is not just a motive, that is a plot my friend. Ain't nobody think like that offhand. It could be a movie, Homoception.
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    You are exactly right. To argue that an example of anything that occurs in nature is normal no matter how rare, unusual or bizarre it is means that the word "normal" is just wasting space in a dictionary and is nothing but white noise when used in a sentence.
    Perhaps you'd be more comfortable with the use of the word natural as opposed to the word normal. In that way, "normal" which is used in its cultural context by you and others can be differentiated from my use of the word which is used to connote naturally occurring.
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    It reminds me of something I heard about homophobia, which is that it's essentially a man's fear of being on the business end of the treatment he regularly doles out to women.
    Hmm, sounds like a control / domination thing.
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    For the most part, "heteros" only think about you when you make them think about you. Demanding that marriage be redefined to make it genderless would be one of those things that makes heteros "think about you".
    Please, hostility towards homosexuality has been around long before marriage rights was even a topic.



    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    The reason why less than 10% of homosexuals marry in countries where homosexual marriages are sanctioned is because most homosexuals don't want to be married. They just want to say that it's no different than heterosexuality. Now "why" that would be is something we'll never be able to discuss honestly, I'm sure, but a good clue would be that homosexuals would be very, very happy if more people were homosexual. As much pissing and moaning about how hard life is as a homosexual and "why would anyone choose this sort of awful life" hand-wringing, any mention of a genetic fix that would prevent babies from being homosexual brings down hell's fury from homosexuals on anyone suggesting such an awful thing.
    Well like it or not, a lot of heterosexuals DO consider it to be normal. Perhaps take it up with them?

    Sure, everyone wants to fit in, but a lot of us give up on that early on. Abnormal/different isn't inherently bad anyway. The key is not being treated as *inferior* despite our differences. Efforts to eliminate homosexuality are predicated on this notion that it's inferior and harmful. All most of us are concerned with is avoiding interference in our lives now. If the homophobes showed one iota of concern for that, guess what, you might not see so much "woe is me, why do i have to be gay?" Then there would be no "need" to find a genetic 'fix' because it would truly be a harmless trait to have.


    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    That should be enough to point people toward the truth of the matter. Homosexuals want to encourage homosexuality. And "normalizing" homosexuality makes it easier to do that. My own brother has tried the "recruitment" routine. I still remember the big kerfuffle when his "curious" boyfriend wouldn't tell his parents that he was queer. His boyfriend gave up the homosexual experimentation after that and went on to get married and start a family.

    This is the dirty secret that homosexuals will never admit as long as there are any states that maintain traditional marriage requirements. It's all about normalization of homosexuality and the reason that's so important is because it makes it easier to recruit anyone that's confused or weak minded. It means a larger pool of potential sex partners. It means more members of the "GLBT community".
    This is so preposterous it belongs in "conspiracy theory." Sounds like you don't know your brother at all, or he fell in love with someone who didn't fully reciprocate. It happens. If we're just gonna rely on anecdotal tales, i take the word of actual homosexuals who insist their sexuality isn't contingent on "encouragement"

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Are you kidding me? There are lots of examples of cannibalism in nature too.

    Cannibalism (zoology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    So what? In some civilizations cannibalism is the norm. Just because something isn't culturally acceptable to us in western society doesn't mean it's abnormal. It's only abnormal in the narrow context in which it's viewed.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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