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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Upon divorce the contract is not voided, its contingencies for dissolution are enforced as per the agreements made in the contract.

    Are you really under the impression that all other contracts are completed to both party's satisfaction? Often, even in the business world, that is not the case and thus contingencies must be reckoned. It is a legitimate function of the state to see that these contingencies are enforced. That cannot be accomplished without recognizing the contract.

    Nope, no contingencies in marriage. Doesn't matter who's fault or any degree of fault one may incur, it's equitable distribution down the middle, or in most cases, men waive their right to the house and get o run from spousal support, depending of course on how long they've been married. Add children to the mix, and Mom (nothing short of being caught with a needle in her arm) get the kids because of an out dated doctrine, and unless poor ole Dad lives in the same school district, or in some cases the same bus route, they'll get one day during the week to take the kids to dinner, and every other weekend! THAT is the reality, Sir.



    No one forces anyone to enter into such a contract. Pre-nups are binding and virtually without limits as to their provisions.
    What is the difference legally between a written promise or one that is verbal and witnessed, with accompanying documentary evidence to support the promise? No, no-fault divorce is a sham, and men somehow allowed it to happen. I'm waiting for no-fault to be challenged one day, and the law changed. Yes, it's harder for the courts to resolve these issues without no fault divorce, but so what..


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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Nope, no contingencies in marriage. Doesn't matter who's fault or any degree of fault one may incur, it's equitable distribution down the middle, or in most cases, men waive their right to the house and get o run from spousal support, depending of course on how long they've been married. Add children to the mix, and Mom (nothing short of being caught with a needle in her arm) get the kids because of an out dated doctrine, and unless poor ole Dad lives in the same school district, or in some cases the same bus route, they'll get one day during the week to take the kids to dinner, and every other weekend! THAT is the reality, Sir.





    What is the difference legally between a written promise or one that is verbal and witnessed, with accompanying documentary evidence to support the promise? No, no-fault divorce is a sham, and men somehow allowed it to happen. I'm waiting for no-fault to be challenged one day, and the law changed. Yes, it's harder for the courts to resolve these issues without no fault divorce, but so what..


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    Someone's bitter. I recommend better judgement in general and the use of a pre-nup in the future.

    Best of luck.

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    If the government wasn't providing benefit to taxpayers based on them holding a piece of paper issued by the government, gay people wouldn't be interested in "redefining" marriage. It's only the government definition that's being "redefined".
    absolutely. Just knock off the government ties that do kickbacks for marriage and this is not a problem whatsoever.
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Changing your deed to your house to include another person for example is not an overly hard process.
    There are laws though that only apply to spouses when it comes to jointly owning a house though.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    As I pointed out before, this is all achieved through a power of attorney, which is far easier to break than a marriage.

    Ending a long term relationship is also far easier than ending a marriage, so it doesn't help in that regard, either.

    You and Ecofarm are going FAR out of your way to try and justify marriage but all you do is devalue it because you can't admit the one REAL purpose that the state promotes marriage because it also happens to be the one thing a gay couple doesn't have all the parts necessary to accomplish. You devalue marriage in an attempt to normalize it to gay relationships.
    Not all of it is though. Plus having a single legal document cover it all is more efficient, from my first point.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Someone's bitter. I recommend better judgement in general and the use of a pre-nup in the future.

    Best of luck.

    Not bitter at all, my ex and I are friends, BUT I have seen this happen and literally destroy other men. Are you saying you don't know anyone that got screwed by divorce? I find that odd, if not unlikely. I also have money so I'm the sort that could absorb the complete unfairness the court dished out, but I am the exception. Most Dad's through no fault (Pardon the pun) of their own don't have it nearly as good as I do. Also, pre-nups are not armor proof, just like wills. Probate often comes into play regardless so I fail to see how a pre-nup prevents some of these things from happening. Sure it's a good idea, getting contingencies in place prior to the entering into the contract is always a good idea, but so to is vowing to do this or that for each other. Pre-nups can be challenged AND ARE in many different legal ways, and a lot of the time they are successfully so. Pre-nups provide some protection, but only some. Savvy lawyers can get around them if they can meet certain evidentiary burdens.


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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    I have seen this happen and literally destroy other men.
    They're weak and stupid. What do you care?

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    They're weak and stupid. What do you care?
    Hehe.. Ok, sure.. Spoken like someone that has never gone through a divorce, or apparently not ever knowing someone that has. Men get screwed, and if it's their fault I have no problem with that, but the problem is that men who do nothing wrong also get screwed by the exact same system. No fault is punitive on men who have lived up to their promises, and rewards women who have not.


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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Hehe.. Ok, sure.. Spoken like someone that has never gone through a divorce, or apparently not ever knowing someone that has.
    I've been divorced twice, each marriage was 7 years. No problems.

    Men get screwed, and if it's their fault I have no problem with that, but the problem is that men who do nothing wrong also get screwed by the exact same system. No fault is punitive on men who have lived up to their promises, and rewards women who have not.
    Spare us the victim card.

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I've been divorced twice, each marriage was 7 years. No problems.
    Kids?



    Spare us the victim card.

    The only victims are children. If there's no children, live and learn!

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