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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    When they're sitting on the U.S.Supreme Court.
    Speaking in terms of wisdom, this is irrelevant.

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Well, I appreciate the sentiment, but if the government wasn't in the marriage business, whomever I or you marry would be none of the "We the People's" business.
    Yep, if the gays weren't insistent on redefining marriage, "We the People" wouldn't feel the need to pass laws to stop it.
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Yep, if the gays weren't insistent on redefining marriage, "We the People" wouldn't feel the need to pass laws to stop it.
    If the government wasn't providing benefit to taxpayers based on them holding a piece of paper issued by the government, gay people wouldn't be interested in "redefining" marriage. It's only the government definition that's being "redefined".
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    As time moves on law in the USA changes to reflect the will of the people.

    Right now most people in the USA support SSM.
    Not true.. In the state of Michigan we amended our.state constitution to ban SMM and it's been forced on the citizenry by bullies in black robes. The same tyranny happened in California of all places. The people of Liberal California DID NOT WANT SSM.. FACT. So if the majority of citizens are so in favor of this
    (Which they are not) how were all these states constitutions being amended?? Your point is not correct.

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    How is that a valid purpose of the state?
    How is the facilitation of voluntary private legally binding contracts not a legitimate function of the government.

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Note that the 15th and 19th amendments were added (due to majority opinion?) to address issues which you now seem to imply were "fully covered" under the 14th amendment.
    There was also a time that many thought the equal rights amendment a necessary addition, until they found that most of it had been hiding (unseen) in the 14th all along.

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It's a legally binding contract and facilitating such is a legitimate government function. I don't know what else to tell you.



    I get that a lot but thanks.

    Odd that it is the only "contract" known to exist where verbally agreed upon vows mean absolutely nothing in a dissolution of marriage, even though there are usually hundreds of witnesses and documentary evidence to support the promises made before entering into said "contract".. Don' you find that odd?


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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Odd that it is the only "contract" known to exist where verbally agreed upon vows mean absolutely nothing in a dissolution of marriage, even though there are usually hundreds of witnesses and documentary evidence to support the promises made before entering into said "contract".. Don' you find that odd?


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    Vows don't mean "nothing". There are issues of assets, obligations and other things to be resolved in a divorce.

    How can anyone believe enforcing private contracts is not a function of the state?

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Vows don't mean "nothing". There are issues of assets, obligations and other things to be resolved in a divorce.

    How can anyone believe enforcing private contracts is not a function of the state?

    A "vow" is a promise. In contractual legal terms it is the same as any other promise and lack of performance to meet that promise is grounds to nullify and void ANY other type of contract in this nation, EXCEPT, or course, marriage. Since every state no has no fault divorce, two people thinking about marriage have no choice but to forget about any promises they make to each other because the state doesn't care who's fault it was/is (Although contract performance - who's fault it is/was means a whole heck of a lot in any other contract) who broke the promises made, or who has done what in said marriage, and who has done little.. Doesn't matter, and is/was the dumbest law ever perpetuated on the American electorate, and men in particular, and I believe is the sole reason why we have so much divorce today.


    Once women know that no matter what, they get half, and heaven forbid they have children, they're pretty much set for the next 25 years. Good deal if you're a chick, that's for sure, but it's ok if you feel later that you don't like this guy anymore, you can divorce him, take half of everything he owns, and 25 - 32% of his "gross" income, and then marry another unsuspecting man, and if you want, do the exact same thing to him..

    Yeah that's a great law!


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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    A "vow" is a promise. In contractual legal terms it is the same as any other promise and lack of performance to meet that promise is grounds to nullify and void ANY other type of contract in this nation, EXCEPT, or course, marriage.
    Upon divorce the contract is not voided, its contingencies for dissolution are enforced as per the agreements made in the contract.

    Are you really under the impression that all other contracts are completed to both party's satisfaction? Often, even in the business world, that is not the case and thus contingencies must be reckoned. It is a legitimate function of the state to see that these contingencies are enforced. That cannot be accomplished without recognizing the contract.

    Once women know that no matter what, they get half, and heaven forbid they have children, they're pretty much set for the next 25 years. Good deal if you're a chick, that's for sure, but it's ok if you feel later that you don't like this guy anymore, you can divorce him, take half of everything he owns, and 25 - 32% of his "gross" income, and then marry another unsuspecting man, and if you want, do the exact same thing to him..
    No one forces anyone to enter into such a contract. Pre-nups are binding and virtually without limits as to their provisions.

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