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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Actually there are only certain legal documents that grant kinship recognition, and those are all controlled in some way by the government.
    I've noticed that you keep not answering the question. What is the state's purpose in acknowledging a marriage?
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    I've noticed that you keep not answering the question. but what is the state's purpose in acknowledging a marriage?
    I've answered it. To make things easier, more efficient under laws. To make things fair and protect those we want viewed as our family legally.
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    What is the state's purpose in acknowledging a marriage?
    To facilitate legal relationships as desired by the people. How could someone not know this?

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I've answered it. To make things easier, more efficient under laws. To make things fair and protect those we want viewed as our family legally.
    To make what things more easy and efficient?
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    So you said there were unequivocal differences and you can't name any from a legal perspective. Don't worry, I've been asking that same question for about a decade and not once has anyone been able to provide a sound legal reasoning as to why homosexuals should be discriminated against. Those that even try fall back on religion, tradition, or procreation as you did.





    Don't try to put words in my mouth okay? No where did I say that procreation was not a benefit to society.

    Allowing gays to Civilly Marry doesn't mean that we as straights are going to stop getting married and/or having kids - if you believe that you're being obtuse.

    On the other hand there are a large number of same-sex households (about 25% of them) are raising children (84% of those raising children biologically related to an adult in the household) and that those households deserve the same stability factors that Civil Marriage extends.


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    There is no legal perspective, after all even legal perspective is merely perspective, but I know what you're saying. The main and only difference is that ideally society would prefer to incentivize families with biological mothers and fathers, and provide avenues for families not in this category, adoption, gays, foster children, orphans. That is what these four states have compromised on, relishing mother/father families, and marriages, with the highest potential to achieve that goal as superior to all others... This is rational, and Sutton is saying and I agree, is not to be disturbed or held as skeptical by a unelected judiciary, where the judge or judges are people too, and they are also subject to the same political and moral motivations for their decisions as anyone else. If you're going to disturb the will of the people, he is saying you'd better have a damned good reason to do so, or else. The Plaintiffs in this case did not meet the burden, and as such they decided to reverse the lower courts ruling.



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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    To facilitate legal relationships as desired by the people. How could someone not know this?
    That isn't a valid purpose for the state, and is too absurdly broad to define the purpose of marriage anyway. Power of attorney is easier, and your definition would facilitate any number of relationships as "marriage" that you likely wouldn't want the state to facilitate.
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    To make what things more easy and efficient?
    Dealing with end of life decisions, property, especially when it was earned during a longterm relationship, or is so entwined that it would be difficult to separate. Dealing with who gets to make certain decisions when people don't otherwise designate someone to do this (which we're human, it happens). Name a responsible party for your expenses because you agreed to them on paper. Recognize the fact that people in relationships share expenses. So much more. Recognize that there are times when people need help because they agreed to take care of another person. These are all made easier with marriage. In the past, people simply trusted, but that won't work now.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    That isn't a valid purpose for the state,
    Of course it is. People wish to enter into legally binding relationships. It's a matter of contract facilitation.

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    To make what things more easy and efficient?
    Absolutely nothing. Marriage in no way helps property, contract or equity and trust law. You're totally right, jmotivator. Since civil marriage does not help define legal relationships between people, we should totally ban gay marriage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    To facilitate legal relationships as desired by the people. How could someone not know this?
    Purposefully obtuse.
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    Purposefully obtuse.
    Simply factual. The state recognizing a marriage is a matter of contract facilitation, which is clearly a legitimate government function.

    Oh, you mean JM? Yeah, I suppose. But trying to explain nonsense is rarely fruitful.
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