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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This is why the 'government should get out marriage' nonsense needs to stop. That. Is. Not. Going. To Happen. Constitutional or unconstitutional, there isn't a single federal/state government that would even consider doing away with civil marriage. Not only would the political ramifications leave a giant black hole in civil law (as well a child adoption, custody and property laws) it would also mean that the government isn't in the business of recognizing and enforcing social contracts between individuals. Do you people think of this before you try and steer the conversation away from what is actually in question here? Again, your imaginary world where marriage can be done away with, isn't real.
    Would it not be workable for some reason?

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You see this is why many believe it should be left to the states. Some states allow it and some don't. You can go where it's allowed and live. On the Left they believe that all aspects of life should be decided at the federal level.
    How about *you* leave if you don't like it

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Actually, taxes that are too low means there are entire rural communities that would have no access to clean water, food, electricity, and transportation. In almost all states, the tax bases in the cities float the rural areas. For example, in Kansas if it were not for the tax base on the Kansas side of Kansas City, they would be lucky to have a flush toilet, much less a paved road, in western Kansas. Most wealth transfers are not between rich and poor, but rather from urban areas to rural areas and from young to old.
    Those don't exist in rural areas anyway lol. I come from a town of under 800. Unless the amish had their horse and buggy funded by city taxes, i don't know what transportation or paved road you refer to. Didn't even have a grocery store.

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Those cases, especially Loving, Turner, and Zablocki, were all about having their marriages recognized by the state, which has been upheld by the SCOTUS.
    The courts never said people have a right to have their marriages recognized by the state.

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Would it not be workable for some reason?
    Hatuey already answered your question. See underlined.

    This is why the 'government should get out marriage' nonsense needs to stop. That. Is. Not. Going. To Happen. Constitutional or unconstitutional, there isn't a single federal/state government that would even consider doing away with civil marriage. Not only would the political ramifications leave a giant black hole in civil law (as well a child adoption, custody and property laws) it would also mean that the government isn't in the business of recognizing and enforcing social contracts between individuals. Do you people think of this before you try and steer the conversation away from what is actually in question here? Again, your imaginary world where marriage can be done away with, isn't real.
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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    Hatuey already answered your question. See underlined.
    That doesn't answer the question.

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I have to wonder about something pointed out in the dissent for this decision: the ruling seems so poorly thought out and supported that it almost seems like these judges wanted to create a circuit split so SCOTUS would be forced to take the case.

    And that leads me to wonder whether or not this is the cover SCOTUS wanted in the first place. "Oh, well, looks like we HAVE to take the case now. Well, we tried to keep our hands off, but now we have to decide!"
    I doubt SCOTUS wanted it since if just a few more circuits had struck down the bans, there's 50 states. SCOTUS doesn't need cover either. As for this circuit, it has quite the record of horrible decisions being struck down by SCOTUS, so i doubt it was intentional. What appeals court *wants* to be overturned either? They should be impeached, given their record of unconstitutional rulings.

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    Hatuey already answered your question. See underlined.

    This is why the 'government should get out marriage' nonsense needs to stop. That. Is. Not. Going. To Happen. Constitutional or unconstitutional, there isn't a single federal/state government that would even consider doing away with civil marriage. Not only would the political ramifications leave a giant black hole in civil law (as well a child adoption, custody and property laws) it would also mean that the government isn't in the business of recognizing and enforcing social contracts between individuals. Do you people think of this before you try and steer the conversation away from what is actually in question here? Again, your imaginary world where marriage can be done away with, isn't real.
    Actually the utah governor publicly suggested it, but i'm sure only to demonstrate to his bigoted base that he's on their side. It's a completely hollow threat and SCOTUS already ruled multiple times that marriage is a constitutional right.

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    I doubt SCOTUS wanted it since if just a few more circuits had struck down the bans, there's 50 states. SCOTUS doesn't need cover either. As for this circuit, it has quite the record of horrible decisions being struck down by SCOTUS, so i doubt it was intentional. What appeals court *wants* to be overturned either? They should be impeached, given their record of unconstitutional rulings.
    It's not like SCOTUS has a great track record themselves. Just sayin'.

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    Re: Appeals court upholds laws against gay marriage in Michigan, 3 other states

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    It's not like SCOTUS has a great track record themselves. Just sayin'.
    of what, being overturned? Good luck proving that one

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