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    Re: Obama to voters after Republican sweep of Congress: 'I hear you'......

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    What if the Republicans were to skip the first part and move directly on to the part where they make the fixes that are necessary and might actually help the country?

    Or do I need to shut up because adults are talking now?
    Well one, whether or not you feel it will "help the country" isn't some absolute truth. For the vast majority of Republicans in congress, those already there and those that just got elected (in large part based on campaigning for a repeal), and their constituents the belief is that a full repeal IS something that actually would help the country. While it's unlikely the president will allow such a thing to pass his desk the feeling is that you should at least try. Essentially, there's no HARM in trying and the only way you know for certain that it won't work is if you try and he vetos.

    When you have the Senate of the United States wasting time passing resolutions on things that no one has campaign on, like the Washington Redskins needing to change their name, without many liberals having a coniption fit about time being wasted then I think it's not unreasonable to spend the little time that it'll take to pass a repeal bill using reconcilliation and to get it vetoed.

    If you foolishly think that politicians aren't going to play politics that's on you. Imagining that will be the case isn't being an "adult", it's more akin to being a child filled with imagination and naivity. Yes, both sides are still going to act like politicians after this election, both sides are still likely to take action that's going to be aimed at pleasing the people who voted them into office, and both sides are going to try and manuever a bit to prepare for 2016.

    If they spend 6 months battling for full repeal, instead of taking a bit of time to do that and immedietley moving on, then I think you'd have a point. I don't see that likely being the case, and until it proves to be the case I'll base my thoughts on the more likely occurence...that they try in relatively short order, they fail, and they move on to the other means. I don't see anything significantly wrong with that, in part because I do believe that those elected into office have a duty to actually stand up and try to do what they campaigned for.

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    Re: Obama to voters after Republican sweep of Congress: 'I hear you'......

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Obama has a history of not making decisions. When he was a Senator he didn't vote up or down on things.

    If he doesn't make a decision he doesn't get anybody mad.
    Fair enough.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obama to voters after Republican sweep of Congress: 'I hear you'......

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Not at all. I'm completely in favor of the world's most powerful country using its resources to carry out vindictive escapades internally in the hope of achieving symbolic gain down the road. It tells our enemies on the international stage, "If this is what we do to ourselves, just think what we're going to do to you."
    Good - the less that's done the better IMO.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obama to voters after Republican sweep of Congress: 'I hear you'......

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    This may be the stupidest political move I've seen in some time if he goes through with that.

    The one primary issues that pretty much EVERY republican that won in the Senate campaigned on was OPPOSING Obamacare and trying to undo it.

    And then on day one of winning you completely take that off the table?

    That's beyond retarded, that's suicidal from a political stance. But what can you expect from the Turtle. A-yup...

    Strangely enough, Cruz has the right idea on this. Push for full repeal, send the bill up, have Obama veto it, and let it die back in the Senate. Then you can look at the base that just elected you in with near record numbers and go "Look, we gave it an honest shot like we promised in our campaigning. He won't repeal it so now lets try to fix it".

    Then you come back and you do piece mail legislation that you can get a few Democrats to support so you can label it "bipartisan". Things like repealing the medical device tax, removing of the IPAB, or even possibly looking at the individual mandate. If you actually get 2 to 6 or more Democrats on board with any of those votes...and Obama STILL vetos...then it becomes a bigger political hinderance on him and Democrats rather than on the Republicans.

    But you can't just full on take it entirely off the table. That's ridiculous. It's like a GM convincing a football team to hire him because he'll do a good job rebuilding, and then as soon as he's hired you trade away every one of your draft picks to trade for a 32 year old Quarterback.
    Perhaps, but the more time they spend passing repeals that will just get vetoed, the less time they have for other things like a budget that could pass, or that they have enough leverage on to force Obama's hand.


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    Re: Obama to voters after Republican sweep of Congress: 'I hear you'......

    If the current senate had enough free time on their hands to spend passing resolutions about the name of the Football Team in Washington that not a single member in the chamber campaigned on, then I think they can afford to spend a bit of time on passing something that every single republican that won earlier this week specifically made a part of their campaigns message.

    Considering they have all the political cover they need to pass the repeal under reconcilliation, given how the bill came into being in the first place, it shouldn't take a significant amount of time to get a repeal passed in the House and Senate, get the veto, and move on.

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    Re: Obama to voters after Republican sweep of Congress: 'I hear you'......

    He had 6yrs to work together and chose not to.

    He should check his ears because what everyone else heard was get out of the way.

    Bill Clinton got that message too but he did hear it and did the smart thing which was ride the success Gingrich made.

    But BO is not smart and does not care if he kills the dem brand trying to prop up his ego.

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