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    Re: Obama to voters after Republican sweep of Congress: 'I hear you'......

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Couldn't Obama let the bills sit on his desk, or in his trash can, as the case may be, and not do anything with them like Reid did?

    Is he required to approve or veto a bill on his desk?
    I would guess he could let them sit there - would that be a better option than simply vetoing them?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obama to voters after Republican sweep of Congress: 'I hear you'......

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Or they could send him responsible bills that actually help our country, but that would require congress to be populated by adults. So your hopes will most likely be the rule of the next two years.
    So now that Democrats got spanked, everyone is supposed to be interested in helping the country?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obama to voters after Republican sweep of Congress: 'I hear you'......

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I stand corrected. I was thinking Senate.

    These senior moments are starting to come more frequently these days.

    But, my point remains. People are very unhappy with republicans, (as well as with democrats, IMO) and the voters, by majority, do not want the GOP ideology treading on them. So, what do they do? Elect more republicans. That makes real good sense. Not.
    So rather than adjusting your logic to fit reality, you just insult reality because it doesn't suit your predisposed views?

    Here's a different way to think about it.

    People generally don't like the Republicans. They also don't like the Democrats. They also don't like Obama and his policies.

    Republicans by and large ran on a campaign message of stopping Obama policies, turning back many of the actions of the past few years, and actually pushing through some of the things that have been blocked (like Keystone).

    Voters don't want the GOP ideology "treading on them", but they also don't want the Democratic ideology continuing to tread on them or the impede things they want. So they elected Republicans in a substantial wave across this country to stop what has been happening.

    That makes a ton of sense. Even if you don't like the Republicans, there's a far greater chance that they'll stop what's been going on then the Democrats, seeing how it's a Democrat President and was an at least half democratic controlled congress that has been doing those things up to this point.

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    Re: Obama to voters after Republican sweep of Congress: 'I hear you'......

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Welcome to politics. I think the question of will the Republicans now decide to work with Obama or not. McConnell has given up on repeal of Obamacare, which is probably a good start.
    This may be the stupidest political move I've seen in some time if he goes through with that.

    The one primary issues that pretty much EVERY republican that won in the Senate campaigned on was OPPOSING Obamacare and trying to undo it.

    And then on day one of winning you completely take that off the table?

    That's beyond retarded, that's suicidal from a political stance. But what can you expect from the Turtle. A-yup...

    Strangely enough, Cruz has the right idea on this. Push for full repeal, send the bill up, have Obama veto it, and let it die back in the Senate. Then you can look at the base that just elected you in with near record numbers and go "Look, we gave it an honest shot like we promised in our campaigning. He won't repeal it so now lets try to fix it".

    Then you come back and you do piece mail legislation that you can get a few Democrats to support so you can label it "bipartisan". Things like repealing the medical device tax, removing of the IPAB, or even possibly looking at the individual mandate. If you actually get 2 to 6 or more Democrats on board with any of those votes...and Obama STILL vetos...then it becomes a bigger political hinderance on him and Democrats rather than on the Republicans.

    But you can't just full on take it entirely off the table. That's ridiculous. It's like a GM convincing a football team to hire him because he'll do a good job rebuilding, and then as soon as he's hired you trade away every one of your draft picks to trade for a 32 year old Quarterback.

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    Re: Obama to voters after Republican sweep of Congress: 'I hear you'......

    Good morning Zyphlin.

    It is my opinion that, and it is validated by the surveys conducted during the exit polls, that by and large, the majority of Americans, approve of such issues as gay marriage, regulating campaign donations, legal pot, equal pay, etc. The issues the republican types typically disapprove of. But the #1 concern of the exiting voters was the economy. And the exit polls indicate that the voters trust the republicans more on the issue of the economy than they do the democrats. (Even though I cannot understand that as it makes no sense at all to me as my economics do, and have always done, better during a democratic white house.)

    I think if the GOP were wiser, they would do away with their historical stances on social issues and get more in line with mainstream America. To do this would give them sweeping victories, in my opinion. Sure, they might lose the support of the religious right and the other folks in their base that feel they have the right to dictate to others but I think those numbers would be more than made up for by the gaining of the support of the centrists , independents and moderates. Keep in mind, only 25% of the population identifies themself as republican. Only 31% identify themselves as democrats. There is a HUGE percentage of independents out there just ripe for the picking if they played their cards wisely. Again, just my opinion.
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    Re: Obama to voters after Republican sweep of Congress: 'I hear you'......

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    I wouldn't say it is just the Republicans, I mean, generally people have had it with incumbents and Congressional approval rating is in the teens if I recall correctly.
    Sadly, the incumbent argument doesn't really hold water. It may be a little factor, but not more so than the party factor. You can tell that by just looking at the actual totals.

    Republicans had more incumbants in the house than Democrats, but only had 3 lose. Democrats had 10. That's roughly 1.3% of all Republican incumbants losing compared to 5% of all Democrat incumbents. If it was simply an anti-incumbent sentiment we should've seen at least a similar, if not greater, loss for Republicans since they had even more incumbents htan Democrats.

    In the Senate, Republicans had 12 incumbents running and all 12 of them won. That means 0% of Republican incumbents lost. Meanwhile, Democrats went into the election season running 17 incumbents running and lost 4 thus far with one additional loss likely, one possible, and one unlikely. Taking only the likely loss into account, that's looking at 29% of Democratic Incumbents losing senate seats.

    So Republicans lost 1.3% of incumbents running in the house and 0% of incumbents running in the Senate.

    Meanwhile, Democrats lost 5% of incumbents running in the house and likely 29% of incumbents running in the senate.

    That's not an indication of a pure anti-incumbent sentiment. That's, at best, an indication of an anti-democratic incumbent sentiment. Republican incumbents, by and large, did pretty well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I would guess he could let them sit there - would that be a better option than simply vetoing them?
    Obama has a history of not making decisions. When he was a Senator he didn't vote up or down on things.

    If he doesn't make a decision he doesn't get anybody mad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    So now that Democrats got spanked, everyone is supposed to be interested in helping the country?
    Not at all. I'm completely in favor of the world's most powerful country using its resources to carry out vindictive escapades internally in the hope of achieving symbolic gain down the road. It tells our enemies on the international stage, "If this is what we do to ourselves, just think what we're going to do to you."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Strangely enough, Cruz has the right idea on this. Push for full repeal, send the bill up, have Obama veto it, and let it die back in the Senate. Then you can look at the base that just elected you in with near record numbers and go "Look, we gave it an honest shot like we promised in our campaigning. He won't repeal it so now lets try to fix it".

    Then you come back and you do piece mail legislation that you can get a few Democrats to support so you can label it "bipartisan". Things like repealing the medical device tax, removing of the IPAB, or even possibly looking at the individual mandate. If you actually get 2 to 6 or more Democrats on board with any of those votes...and Obama STILL vetos...then it becomes a bigger political hinderance on him and Democrats rather than on the Republicans.
    What if the Republicans were to skip the first part and move directly on to the part where they make the fixes that are necessary and might actually help the country?

    Or do I need to shut up because adults are talking now?

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