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Texas Town Votes To Bar Fracking in City Limits

Henry David said:
It's old news dude. Bush took office in 2001 as I recall.

Many stories have been written, sorry I don't have a link for you to attack, Cheney met with his various amigos in the oil & gas industry, in San Diego as I recall, and one of the end results of that (secret) meeting was that the chemicals used in the fracking process would be considered proprietary and exempt from certain provisions of the Clean Water Act.
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You don't have a link, because you're wrong.
 
d0gbreath said:
It's a well established physicians group. Good enough for a Nobel prize. Almost all of the commenter's have a "MD" in their name.

Why do you think that they are not reliable?

Link me some energy sites that oppose this view so that I can see if they measure up.

Edit to add: Was Cathy Behr faking her respiratory problems? It's the same headaches, nausea, and vomiting that home owners in NW Denton have been complaining about to their doctors.
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Appeal to authority. Read their 'about' page. I won't engage your strawman.
 
d0gbreath said:
It's a well established physicians group. Good enough for a Nobel prize. Almost all of the commenter's have a "MD" in their name.

Why do you think that they are not reliable?

Link me some energy sites that oppose this view so that I can see if they measure up.

Edit to add: Was Cathy Behr faking her respiratory problems? It's the same headaches, nausea, and vomiting that home owners in NW Denton have been complaining about to their doctors.
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How do you explain the thousands of people who work on frac sites, everyday, who don't get sick?
 
j-mac said:
Appeal to authority. Read their 'about' page. I won't engage your strawman.
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About page:

Physicians for Social Responsibility (PSR) has been working for more than 50 years to create a healthy, just and peaceful world for both the present and future generations. PSR advocates on the issues you care about by addressing the dangers that threaten communities, using our medical and public health expertise to:
Prevent nuclear war and proliferation;
Reverse our trajectory towards climate change;
Protect the public and our environment from toxic chemicals;
Eliminate the use of nuclear power.
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Or is it the 501(c)(3) tax exemption that you have a problem with?
 
apdst said:
How do you explain the thousands of people who work on frac sites, everyday, who don't get sick?
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Generally, when they see the skull and crossbones on the label, they tend to handle with extreme care. The problem is that much of that secret sauce is not recouped. It can seep into anywhere that it wants too.

Don't misunderstand me. I'm not against fracking sites. I just don't want it in my backyard. We won an election to keep it away. We want it to stay away.
 
d0gbreath said:
Generally, when they see the skull and crossbones on the label, they tend to handle with extreme care. The problem is that much of that secret sauce is not recouped. It can seep into anywhere that it wants too.

Don't misunderstand me. I'm not against fracking sites. I just don't want it in my backyard. We won an election to keep it away. We want it to stay away.
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Those chemicals can't ascend vertically 10,000+ feet, through rock.

So far, the only contamination you've documented is methane..

Again, why don't the folks on the frac crews get sick?
 
apdst said:
Those chemicals can't ascend vertically 10,000+ feet, through rock.

So far, the only contamination you've documented is methane..

Again, why don't the folks on the frac crews get sick?
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I answered your healthy frac crew question already; Careful handling.

They wanted to erect a drilling tower within 500 feet of my home. That's within earshot. That's not going to happen. I told the city council that I would chain myself to the equipment when they brought it in. I was, and still am serious. Padlock ankle to heavy equipment, hold a .45 ACP in each hand.

Why .45s?

Because firing twice is just silly.
 
d0gbreath said:
I answered your healthy frac crew question already; Careful handling.

They wanted to erect a drilling tower within 500 feet of my home. That's within earshot. That's not going to happen. I told the city council that I would chain myself to the equipment when they brought it in. I was, and still am serious. Padlock ankle to heavy equipment, hold a .45 ACP in each hand.

Why .45s?

Because firing twice is just silly.
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Careful handling? If people near frac sites are getting sick from fumes, the people ON the frac sites should be getting sick too.

You do all the rest of that crap and they'll take you to jail and drill the well, anyway.
 
d0gbreath said:
I answered your healthy frac crew question already; Careful handling.

They wanted to erect a drilling tower within 500 feet of my home. That's within earshot. That's not going to happen. I told the city council that I would chain myself to the equipment when they brought it in. I was, and still am serious. Padlock ankle to heavy equipment, hold a .45 ACP in each hand.

Why .45s?

Because firing twice is just silly.
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http://www.slideshare.net/mobile/Ma...gs-not-fracking?redirected_from=save_on_embed

Fracking is safe end of story.
 
apdst said:
Careful handling? If people near frac sites are getting sick from fumes, the people ON the frac sites should be getting sick too.

You do all the rest of that crap and they'll take you to jail and drill the well, anyway.
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I will probably have to go to jail if it comes down to it. I'm willing to risk that in order be on the news to bring more people to my protestations.
 
j-mac said:
Study: Fugitive Methane in Marcellus/Barnett from Well Casings, Not F

Fracking is safe end of story.
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That was quite in depth trucker. Do you really understand the jest of your link?

Slideshare doesn't allow copy paste for non-members. They said right in there that they found 5 instances for dirty water over the Barnett shale (under my house). One was faulty cement casing, three instances of faulty drill casings, and one faulty well. I don't trust them for a minute. All they claimed was that they found no instances of water contamination from gases migrating up from a mile or more beneath the surface. The study is from 2012. It proves nothing.

Look up the multiple instances of earthquakes near Azle, Texas (not far from me). Many, many of them in an area that never had one before in recorded history. When the earth shakes, the gases can rise.

Beside, your study is on gases, it's liquids that I've been referring to.
 
j-mac said:
Hold on...you want people to accept this source, when clearly you wouldn't accept anything from the energy industry opposing this view. So why should anyone put stock in such a biased source?
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Because the "energy industry" has a vested interest.

The situation might be compared to asking one's barber if one "needs" a haircut.

What do you EXPECT an industry to say? Tell the truth and suffer the consequences, or deceive and maintain the status quo? Drill Baby, Drill.
 
apdst said:
How do you explain the thousands of people who work on frac sites, everyday, who don't get sick?
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Because they don't get the fluid splashed on their clothes everyday.

Have you heard of accidents in the workplace? They do happen. The man who showed up at the ER in Colorado had suffered a workplace accident. Is that beyond your understanding?
 
Henry David said:
Because they don't get the fluid splashed on their clothes everyday.

Have you heard of accidents in the workplace? They do happen. The man who showed up at the ER in Colorado had suffered a workplace accident. Is that beyond your understanding?
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How do residents near the the frac job get the chemicals splashed on them?
 
apdst said:
Considering millions of wells have been drilled with few incidents, the oil and gas industry has a better records than any other industry.
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but your comparing drilling to fracking again,one uses hydraulic pressure and one doesnt,one would assume the safeguards would be greater when doing something under pressure.


oh and btw oil companies records,they still hear about exxon valdez,and the bp oil spill,and other smaller incidences involving gross negligence to safety and environmental hazzards.
 
Grant said:
The frackers lob chemical filled balloons at them with a catapult. I thought everyone knew that.
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I didn't! I really didn't! Thanks for the information! ;)
 
beerftw said:
but your comparing drilling to fracking again,one uses hydraulic pressure and one doesnt,one would assume the safeguards would be greater when doing something under pressure.


oh and btw oil companies records,they still hear about exxon valdez,and the bp oil spill,and other smaller incidences involving gross negligence to safety and environmental hazzards.
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You thunk drilling isn't under pressure?

Go down a few thousand feet, cake-over your BHA and watch your downhole pressure shoot up to a couple thousand PSI...lol! If your lucky, your BHA is caked. If you have a bridge above the BHA, you run the risk of an explosion when you shake it loose.

Oh, and the Exxon Valdez? That was a ship wreck. It had nothing to do with drilling, nor fracing.
 
apdst said:
You thunk drilling isn't under pressure?

Go down a few thousand feet, cake-over your BHA and watch your downhole pressure shoot up to a couple thousand PSI...lol! If your lucky, your BHA is caked. If you have a bridge above the BHA, you run the risk of an explosion when you shake it loose.
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that still doesnt change the matter,you are dealing with possible pressure vs guaranteed pressure.and it still doesnt negate the extreme blunders to date,or companies refusing to clean up oil spills like bp until lawsuit settlements became more expensive than actually cleaning up their own mess.
 
beerftw said:
that still doesnt change the matter,you are dealing with possible pressure vs guaranteed pressure.and it still doesnt negate the extreme blunders to date,or companies refusing to clean up oil spills like bp until lawsuit settlements became more expensive than actually cleaning up their own mess.
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You're talking in circles.
 
apdst said:
How do residents near the the frac job get the chemicals splashed on them?
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It goes into their drinking water.

R U obtuse, or just not paying attention?
 
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