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Texas Town Votes To Bar Fracking in City Limits

I knew it. You've bought the lie, hook, line and sinker. The Koch Brothers would be proud of you.

Until, of course, your very prosperity impeded their taking more and more for themselves. If you are ever unfortunate enough to be in that kind of a situation, God be with you and your family.

Your argument is awesome, I must say.
 
The frac company doesn't case the well, because the drilling company cases the well. Casing serves two puposes: it seals off the annulus from the surrounding zones and it keeps the walls from collapsing. There's no way to maintain a hole without casing. The polymers used to hold the walls is only temporary.

but that same defective casing causes water contamination.

you arent making a very convincing argument,just simply a copy and paste of the oil companies rebuttal.
 
but that same defective casing causes water contamination.

you arent making a very convincing argument,just simply a copy and paste of the oil companies rebuttal.

The failed casing, not the fracing. It's an apparatus failure, not carelessness, nor disregard.
 
Yes, it does and when actual drilling is being done, they using government approved, biodegradable additives to slurry the annulus , creating a temporary barrier between the annulus wall and the water zone

And, thanks to Dick Cheney's efforts early on, the chemicals they use in the process need not be identified to EPA. They are exempt from certain important parts of the Clean Water Act.

Now why on earth would they want to keep their chemicals secret? Are they not interested in clean water?
 
And, thanks to Dick Cheney's efforts early on, the chemicals they use in the process need not be identified to EPA. They are exempt from certain important parts of the Clean Water Act.

Now why on earth would they want to keep their chemicals secret? Are they not interested in clean water?

Every additive used during drilling is biodegradable. What's the problem?
 
The failed casing, not the fracing. It's an apparatus failure, not carelessness, nor disregard.

considering fracking has been done since 1949,and those defective casings occured recently,its safe to say it was from carelessness,which doesnt help your argument.
 
considering fracking has been done since 1949,and those defective casings occured recently,its safe to say it was from carelessness,which doesnt help your argument.

Considering millions of wells have been drilled with few incidents, the oil and gas industry has a better records than any other industry.
 
Every additive used during drilling is biodegradable. What's the problem?

If they have nothing to hide, why are they hiding everything?
 
They're hiding the chemicals they use in their "proprietary" lubricants. Uncle Dick had an exception carved out for them back when he was Veep.

Your evidence?
 
I think it's true to a degree, kind of like coke and Pepsi and the infamous secret sauce are highly guarded recipes

Any reportable material has, by law, to have it's makep made public knowledge. If it isn't reportable, it isn't harmful to people, or the envirinment.

I would like Henry to give us example an oilfield, "secret sauce".
 
Your evidence?

It's old news dude. Bush took office in 2001 as I recall.

Many stories have been written, sorry I don't have a link for you to attack, Cheney met with his various amigos in the oil & gas industry, in San Diego as I recall, and one of the end results of that (secret) meeting was that the chemicals used in the fracking process would be considered proprietary and exempt from certain provisions of the Clean Water Act.
 
It's old news dude. Bush took office in 2001 as I recall.

Many stories have been written, sorry I don't have a link for you to attack, Cheney met with his various amigos in the oil & gas industry, in San Diego as I recall, and one of the end results of that (secret) meeting was that the chemicals used in the fracking process would be considered proprietary and exempt from certain provisions of the Clean Water Act.

Always good to provide a link in something like this
 
Always good to provide a link in something like this

Yes, I know, and you are certainly correct.

But the truth is that it IS old news. It became news during the Bush administration.

Sorry.
 
Always good to provide a link in something like this

I did a quick google, and there are several articles written about this. I am a poor "linker", sorry.

HuffPo Green shows an article from 5/17/2010 by the blogger Kevin Grandia about fracking, and he talks about Cheney's Loophole, the same thing I'm talking about, regarding exemptions from CWA for the frackers.

Grandia says that the meeting took place in 2005, but I had thought it was earlier than that.
 
I did a quick google, and there are several articles written about this. I am a poor "linker", sorry.

HuffPo Green shows an article from 5/17/2010 by the blogger Kevin Grandia about fracking, and he talks about Cheney's Loophole, the same thing I'm talking about, regarding exemptions from CWA for the frackers.

Grandia says that the meeting took place in 2005, but I had thought it was earlier than that.

I have heard the same thing as you but can't really seem to solidly verify it so now I am beginning to wonder if it is true or just a hatchet job.
 
Hold on...you want people to accept this source, when clearly you wouldn't accept anything from the energy industry opposing this view. So why should anyone put stock in such a biased source?

It's a well established physicians group. Good enough for a Nobel prize. Almost all of the commenter's have a "MD" in their name.

Why do you think that they are not reliable?

Link me some energy sites that oppose this view so that I can see if they measure up.

Edit to add: Was Cathy Behr faking her respiratory problems? It's the same headaches, nausea, and vomiting that home owners in NW Denton have been complaining about to their doctors.
 
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