• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

GOP seizes Senate

HenryChinaski said:
Taylor's are a-lot like republicans. Dull, lifeless and dead sounding.
Click to expand...


Shock !!!

I've got a Taylor cut away that has one of the best sounds of any Acoustic Guitar I've ever owned.

Nice and clean and loud with a slight and natural chorus effect and great action.

The only other Guitar that Ive owned that was comparable to it was a Esteve Classical Guitar.

Sure different sound all together but clean and loud with great action.

Sure I like Martins too but I wouldn't trade my Taylor for one.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
I hate to clue you in on this, but the middle class was replaced by automation and the lack of its children's desire to actually study/learn in schools when it had the chance to do so...

Stop trying to blame individual failings on anyone other than the the person who failed...
Click to expand...

Fenton said:
Shock !!!

I've got a Taylor cut away that has one of the best sounds of any Acoustic Guitar I've ever owned.

Nice and clean and loud with a slight and natural chorus effect and great action.

The only other Guitar that Ive owned that was comparable to it was a Esteve Classical Guitar.

Sure different sound all together but clean and loud with great action.

Sure I like Martins too but I wouldn't trade my Taylor for one.
Click to expand...
Good old boys play Martin's, Bad boys play Gibson's, choirboys play Taylors. ;)
 
Jack Fabulous said:
At the time the economy went into this tailspin you do realize that the Democrats controlled both houses right? Are you trying to say that the Democratic controlled House AND Senate refused to work with the Democratic President?
Click to expand...

I love how that big falllacy keeps rearing it's head. That control by numbers of the dems the right keeps talking about didn't exist. There were still enough republicans to block most of what the president wanted. And when the republican minority leader says his main agenda is to make Obama a one term president that pretty much sets the tone.
 
j-mac said:
Yep, the economy was in a tailspin, that is predominantly why such an open socialist like Obama was elected. The problem though is that his lofty rhetoric, and greek pillars were just show.

He quickly projected that he had NO interest in actually making anything better for struggling Americans. This was clear when his first order of business was to bring in a former jailbird communist to construct a laundry list of progressive wants and ram it through against the wishes of the people and call it a healthcare bill.

He also projects this lie of his when he counts making America better, and increasing opportunity not by actually creating good jobs, but rather simply not counting those long term unemployed who hav exhausted benefits and putting them on welfare.

He has destroyed the moral of the country with his 'America is not exceptional' rhetoric, and his seemingly endless world apology tour making America no longer a player on the world stage that need not be listened to or taken seriously.

So, could you say that Bush and repubs screwed the pooch when they failed to reign in crooks like Frank, and Dodd who ran cover for criminals like Franklin Raines who presided over the corruption of Fannie, and that this was a cause of the financial collapse? Then yes, agreed. But to elect the very incompetent, corrupt, lying machine that were actually responsible for the collapse in the first place is just plan retarded.

We are idiocracy.
Click to expand...

What a steaming pants load!
 
humbolt said:
Maybe it's because you are not familiar with the over 300 bills sitting on Reid's desk that have never seen the light of day.
Click to expand...

How many are for the repeal of the ACA? :doh
 
EnigmaO01 said:
I love how that big falllacy keeps rearing it's head. That control by numbers of the dems the right keeps talking about didn't exist. There were still enough republicans to block most of what the president wanted. And when the republican minority leader says his main agenda is to make Obama a one term president that pretty much sets the tone.
Click to expand...
He got both the stimulus and Obamacare.

Your talking points need an upgrade.
 
jmotivator said:
McConnell and Boehner penned an agenda statement in the WSJ opinion pages today. You're welcome.

John Boehner and Mitch McConnell: Now We Can Get Congress Going - WSJ - WSJ

The Bullet points:

Our priorities in the 114th Congress will be your priorities. That means addressing head-on many of the most pressing challenges facing the country, including:

• The insanely complex tax code that is driving American jobs overseas;

• Health costs that continue to rise under a hopelessly flawed law that Americans have never supported;

• A savage global terrorist threat that seeks to wage war on every American;

• An education system that denies choice to parents and denies a good education to too many children;

• Excessive regulations and frivolous lawsuits that are driving up costs for families and preventing the economy from growing;

• An antiquated government bureaucracy ill-equipped to serve a citizenry facing 21st-century challenges, from disease control to caring for veterans;

• A national debt that has Americans stealing from their children and grandchildren, robbing them of benefits that they will never see and leaving them with burdens that will be nearly impossible to repay.
Click to expand...


A phoney list that for the most part can't be accomplished in 20 years let alone 2 and they know it. It's all about political posturing and not about getting things done for the American people. Interesting to see they're going to attack the ACA again that can't be repealed when time would be better spent improving it. And the repubs want to spend even more money bolstering the military complex that is one if the biggest contributors to our deficit.

The republicans claim to want to reduce the deficit as long as they can spend money on their pet projects.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
He got both the stimulus and Obamacare.

Your talking points need an upgrade.
Click to expand...

He didn't get the stimulus he wanted and he got a watered down ACA. Keep trying and maybe you can find that acorn.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
He didn't get the stimulus he wanted and he got a watered down ACA. Keep trying and maybe you can find that acorn.
Click to expand...
The "watered down" ACA he got, he got without a single Republican vote. Any "watering down" was done to appease members of his own party.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
A phoney list that for the most part can't be accomplished in 20 years let alone 2 and they know it. It's all about political posturing and not about getting things done for the American people. Interesting to see they're going to attack the ACA again that can't be repealed when time would be better spent improving it. And the repubs want to spend even more money bolstering the military complex that is one if the biggest contributors to our deficit.

The republicans claim to want to reduce the deficit as long as they can spend money on their pet projects.
Click to expand...


my take on the ACA

they will quickly pass a full repeal on the ACA through both the house and the senate

they will force the president to sign his veto

that will end the ACA stuff......other than the pubs can then use the point that they did TRY to repeal the whole thing, but were blocked by the pres

They will then defund some points of it....tax on medical equipment, etc

And then go on to other things.........

That is how i see it playing out
 
HenryChinaski said:
Gibson agreed to pay a $300,000 fine for the ebony from Madagascar that they acquired illegally. They also acknowledged their violations. They would've went after Taylor, Collings or Martin too. they weren't targeting Gibson. This is nothing new, Brazilian Rosewood is been illegal in this country since 1969. Going to blame Obama for that too?
Click to expand...
You are right and the history is here, including much of the sub-text. Gibson Guitar to Pay Fine Over Wood Imports - WSJ

But those who support a frequently over-zealous bureaucracy shouldn't complain when jobs eventually go overseas.

George Gruhn, who owns Gruhn Guitars in Nashville, said he still worries that hurdles under the Lacey Act will continue to cut into his overseas business. "Right now if something has one dot of mother of pearl it requires a few hundred in extra fees," he said. "It drives us nuts."
Click to expand...
 
gdgyva said:
my take on the ACA

they will quickly pass a full repeal on the ACA through both the house and the senate

they will force the president to sign his veto

that will end the ACA stuff......other than the pubs can then use the point that they did TRY to repeal the whole thing, but were blocked by the pres

They will then defund some points of it....tax on medical equipment, etc

And then go on to other things.........

That is how i see it playing out
Click to expand...

In other words, more dog and pony shows from the GOP.
 
Grant said:
You are right and the history is here, including much of the sub-text. Gibson Guitar to Pay Fine Over Wood Imports - WSJ

But those who support a frequently over-zealous bureaucracy shouldn't complain when jobs eventually go overseas.
Click to expand...
There are embargo's and restrictions on these tone woods for good reason. Next thing you'll tell me that it's over zealous bureaucracy that is prohibiting guitar makers from using elephant ivory for nuts and saddles.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
The "watered down" ACA he got, he got without a single Republican vote. Any "watering down" was done to appease members of his own party.
Click to expand...

Bull. He was pressured by the repubs before the vote to water it down. It actually seemed early on something could be worked out but the party of "no" wouldn't have any of it.
 
Grant said:
Is that an 'others' style of debate? That sort of response occurs only when the poster is stuck for any intelligent response. You lose, mate!
Click to expand...

No. When I see a steaming load I call it what it is.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Bull. He was pressured by the repubs before the vote to water it down. It actually seemed early on something could be worked out but the party of "no" wouldn't have any of it.
Click to expand...

Only on the margins. The most important modifications toward the ACA came from conservative Democrats (like my Senators and House Rep at the time).The President had the ability to pass a more stringent bill with a strict Democratic Party vote, but enough Democratic Party representatives were of a different faction which had qualms with the base's notion for proper reform. Since you don't remember, I will try to refresh your memory that there was a lot of liberal sentiment that these representatives were not real Democrats or were bending to the will of obstinate Republicans.

Of course in the aftermath, the Republican factions throughout the country voted out the conservative Democrats who had signed the final bill (mine included).
 
Last edited:
Threegoofs said:
In other words, more dog and pony shows from the GOP.
Click to expand...

when promises are made to your constituents, promises must be kept

everyone knows Obama wont repeal his signature legislation

imo a lot of bills are going to be passed by this congress.....the question is, what does Obama pass, and what does he veto
 
HenryChinaski said:
Good old boys play Martin's, Bad boys play Gibson's, choirboys play Taylors. ;)
Click to expand...

Country stars who are in to bow hunting play McPherson's

I suspect McPherson guitar owners were really happy tuesday night. Martin-probably not so much \!
 
gdgyva said:
when promises are made to your constituents, promises must be kept

everyone knows Obama wont repeal his signature legislation

imo a lot of bills are going to be passed by this congress.....the question is, what does Obama pass, and what does he veto
Click to expand...

When all the dust settles, Obamacare will either be repealed or it will be so gutted that it no longer looks anything like what they passed. It is a vastly unpopular bill that the democrats could not get passed the normal way...they had to go to the reconciliation method. Even then, they had to bribe a number of democrats with earmarks to get it over the finish line. It should have died when it went to the US Supreme Court over the mandate. It is now headed back to the same court over the subsidies in the states that refused to expand Medicaid.. That could kill it or it may have to wait until Barack "Hussein" Obola is out of office. In any case, it's only a matter of time. Obamacare's days are numbered.
 
ObamacareFail said:
When all the dust settles, Obamacare will either be repealed or it will be so gutted that it no longer looks anything like what they passed. It is a vastly unpopular bill that the democrats could not get passed the normal way...they had to go to the reconciliation method. Even then, they had to bribe a number of democrats with earmarks to get it over the finish line. It should have died when it went to the US Supreme Court over the mandate. It is now headed back to the same court over the subsidies in the states that refused to expand Medicaid.. That could kill it or it may have to wait until Barack "Hussein" Obola is out of office. In any case, it's only a matter of time. Obamacare's days are numbered.
Click to expand...

See, I think that was the plan all along, and the longer it stays in place, the more ultimate damage it will do. What can one say about something so corrosive that in this last mid term Obama effectively gagged the insurance actuaries from releasing their upcoming year rate increases forecast as they normally do in October, so that the voters out there wouldn't catch wind of how hard they are about to be hit.

In any case when and if this turd finally does what it was always intended to do and collapse, the only thing our imbeciles in DC come up with is total government provided healthcare, through expanding the Medicare/Medicaid model. At that point only those willing to work for the government will go into Medicine, and we are screwed.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom