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GOP seizes Senate

humbolt said:
Maybe it's because you are not familiar with the over 300 bills sitting on Reid's desk that have never seen the light of day.
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Oh please do tell what's in those bills that the right so desperately wants and how it will get passed now. We're still waiting for specifics. . .

Voter ignorace: being happy about election, and not knowing why
 
solletica said:
Oh please do tell what's in those bills that the right so desperately wants and how it will get passed now. We're still waiting for specifics. . .

Voter ignorace: being happy about election, and not knowing why
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You're the one who's in the dark. Read the bills and quit carping.
 
rhinefire said:
The sad truth here is the blame is on the American people. We vote for 8 years of GWB then swing far away for 8 years of Obama. Now we swing for the Reps to dominate. So the question is what good is putting a band aid on an wound that has been open sine the days of Tip O'Neal and Reagan talking face to face. What have we solved? This is like constantly searching for athletes to form a winning team but we still wind up out of the playoffs years after year. Does any single person here actually believe the slime balls in Washington will suddenly work together? The ONLY thing this proves is the current two party system is the noose around America's neck. It simply is not and will not ever work again.
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This is a good post. Really, Republicans were on the edge for decades in Congress. They used that to their advantage. I expect possibly the same for Democrats.
 
humbolt said:
You're the one who's in the dark. Read the bills and quit carping.
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LOL.
Looks like your answer is 'I dunno'.

I think 50 bills are to repeal the ACA, and even McConnell has publicly said its a non starter!

Most of those bills were passed knowing they would never be law- and MCConnell won't embarrass the GOP by actually bringing any to the floor.
 
solletica said:
Everyone w/noodle knows that GOP voters are mentally challenged--the fact that all GOP-run states (AL, MS, AR, LA) are crumbling ****holes w/poverty and corruption all over the place while the top liberal states (MA, MN, VT, WA) are economic powerhouses itself tells the story, even if it's not large enough to hit the right wing nail on the head.
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The empirical evidence for such a line of thought is far from conclusive. If it were, people were reasonably rational and reasonably informed, there would be no political divide. A broad and deep consensus would exist that the Democratic Party's approach is qualitatively superior when it comes to outcomes and the Republican Party would be little more than a marginal group.

In contrast, one could ask whether the development of affluence over time allowed states such as Massachusetts and New York (to plug my home state since you forgot to mention it ;) ) opportunity to invest more in human development (e.g., education), infrastructure, and social programs than states such as Alabama and Mississippi that are far less affluent. There's no argument that investment in human development, etc., has a positive economic and social impact. How to overcome the resources barrier that impedes such investment is an issue, especially for less affluent states with resource constraints that compel them to take a narrower fiscal approach.
 
j-mac said:
Yep, the economy was in a tailspin, that is predominantly why such an open socialist like Obama was elected. The problem though is that his lofty rhetoric, and greek pillars were just show.

He quickly projected that he had NO interest in actually making anything better for struggling Americans. This was clear when his first order of business was to bring in a former jailbird communist to construct a laundry list of progressive wants and ram it through against the wishes of the people and call it a healthcare bill.

He also projects this lie of his when he counts making America better, and increasing opportunity not by actually creating good jobs, but rather simply not counting those long term unemployed who hav exhausted benefits and putting them on welfare.

He has destroyed the moral of the country with his 'America is not exceptional' rhetoric, and his seemingly endless world apology tour making America no longer a player on the world stage that need not be listened to or taken seriously.

So, could you say that Bush and repubs screwed the pooch when they failed to reign in crooks like Frank, and Dodd who ran cover for criminals like Franklin Raines who presided over the corruption of Fannie, and that this was a cause of the financial collapse? Then yes, agreed. But to elect the very incompetent, corrupt, lying machine that were actually responsible for the collapse in the first place is just plan retarded.

We are idiocracy.
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Hey, what are conservative's comments about job growth losing steam because of the huge majority of baby boomers going into disability? Sure, you could argue that the labor force is falling. But if you look closely, it seems like the only age group that isn't getting better is people aged at least 65, who're retiring (meaning, baby boomers are going in droves). What is the truth behind that?
 
Threegoofs said:
LOL.
Looks like your answer is 'I dunno'.

I think 50 bills are to repeal the ACA, and even McConnell has publicly said its a non starter!

Most of those bills were passed knowing they would never be law- and MCConnell won't embarrass the GOP by actually bringing any to the floor.
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It actually looks like you and some others are the ones in the dark. This stuff has only been unknown to those who have no interest. There are lists and summaries available. What's really funny is that the GOP hasn't assumed control of the Senate yet, the election was only a day ago, and you guys on the left want to know what the agenda will be right this second. Did you miss the campaigns? Have you been asleep for four years in a leftist inspired trance, or what?
 
cowchops said:
Hey, what are conservative's comments about job growth losing steam because of the huge majority of baby boomers going into disability? Sure, you could argue that the labor force is falling. But if you look closely, it seems like the only age group that isn't getting better is people aged at least 65, who're retiring (meaning, baby boomers are going in droves). What is the truth behind that?
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Demographics predict the future quite well and we can see that the population of the western democracies was aging, people were retiring, and they expected to be looked after.

The response to this, from a President whose ideologies have remained in the 1960's, was Obamacare. Now doctors, when they will be needed most, are leaving medicine.

Free enterprise is what made America great but many Americans have forgotten all abut that, or were never taught it, or were taught to mistrust it, despite all the evidence that it works. Now they will learn just what it means to have layers of bureaucracy making their health care decisions for them when they once just visited their doctors office or, impossible to believe now, doctors actually visited them. Time to invest in outsourcing America's health care.
 
Grant said:
Demographics predict the future quite well and we can see that the population of the western democracies was aging, people were retiring, and they expected to be looked after.

The response to this, from a President whose ideologies have remained in the 1960's, was Obamacare. Now doctors, when they will be needed most, are leaving medicine.

Free enterprise is what made America great but many Americans have forgotten all abut that, or were never taught it, or were taught to mistrust it, despite all the evidence that it works. Now they will learn just what it means to have layers of bureaucracy making their health care decisions for them when they once just visited their doctors office or, impossible to believe now, doctors actually visited them. Time to invest in outsourcing America's health care.
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No no, I meant in reply to his evidence of job growth. I'm looking more for the sound basis of it than an opinion. Sorry, although I know where you're coming from :)
 
donsutherland1 said:
The empirical evidence for such a line of thought is far from conclusive. If it were, people were reasonably rational and reasonably informed, there would be no political divide.
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Liberals and libertarians are reasonably rational and informed, while the GOP voters are clueless morons, as evidenced by the massive discrepancy in quality of life, education, economy, etc. of the liberal states (MA, MN, CA, WA, CT, etc.) vs. the right wing states (MS, AR, AL, LA, etc.).

Even otherwise, as evidenced by right wing posts in this thread itself, it's clear that none of the GOP voters who put the Senate Repubs in power have any idea which of their objective these pols are going to accomplish--a clear indicator of voter ignorance.

We keep asking them for specifics, and they come up empty :lamo
 
humbolt said:
It actually looks like you and some others are the ones in the dark. This stuff has only been unknown to those who have no interest. There are lists and summaries available. What's really funny is that the GOP hasn't assumed control of the Senate yet, the election was only a day ago, and you guys on the left want to know what the agenda will be right this second. Did you miss the campaigns? Have you been asleep for four years in a leftist inspired trance, or what?
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Yet somehow you can't articulate the agenda. Or show us these 'lists and summaries'.
 
The combined op-ed by McConnell and Boehner today will serve as a beginning talking point.
McConnell masterfully brings Boehner back into the loop, who is actually stronger against the outlying TEAs with a larger and more normal caucus.
Priebus has quite effectively neutered and marginalized the TEA-wing and I wish normal GOP leaders God's speed in fixing this Nation with Obama .

Threegoofs said:
Yet somehow you can't articulate the agenda. Or show us these 'lists and summaries'.
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Threegoofs said:
Yet somehow you can't articulate the agenda. Or show us these 'lists and summaries'.
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No. You misunderstand. I'm not articulating an agenda. It has nothing to with can or can't. You could articulate the agenda yourself, but you're baiting desperately - looking for something you aren't going to get. Here's an idea. Make up one yourself and see how it stands against what actually happens. Tell me, have you listened to what McConnell has had to say about it yet?
 
donsutherland1 said:
The empirical evidence for such a line of thought is far from conclusive. If it were, people were reasonably rational and reasonably informed, there would be no political divide.
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Actually, no, political divide is good for any developed nation. Sure, it gets people angry, but the pendulum is good for fighting tyranny. Myself, I think people should value it more.
 
Threegoofs said:
Yet somehow you can't articulate the agenda. Or show us these 'lists and summaries'.
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McConnell and Boehner penned an agenda statement in the WSJ opinion pages today. You're welcome.

John Boehner and Mitch McConnell: Now We Can Get Congress Going - WSJ - WSJ

The Bullet points:

Our priorities in the 114th Congress will be your priorities. That means addressing head-on many of the most pressing challenges facing the country, including:

• The insanely complex tax code that is driving American jobs overseas;

• Health costs that continue to rise under a hopelessly flawed law that Americans have never supported;

• A savage global terrorist threat that seeks to wage war on every American;

• An education system that denies choice to parents and denies a good education to too many children;

• Excessive regulations and frivolous lawsuits that are driving up costs for families and preventing the economy from growing;

• An antiquated government bureaucracy ill-equipped to serve a citizenry facing 21st-century challenges, from disease control to caring for veterans;

• A national debt that has Americans stealing from their children and grandchildren, robbing them of benefits that they will never see and leaving them with burdens that will be nearly impossible to repay.
 
Grant said:
Have you tried asking Harry Reid?
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Harry's kind of quiet just now. Banks of shredders running all day long make a lot of noise, too. Funny how the left wants the agenda now. What's on Obama's agenda besides golf and amnesty? Nobody knows. Not even Obama.
 
jmotivator said:
McConnell and Boehner penned an agenda statement in the WSJ opinion pages today. You're welcome.

John Boehner and Mitch McConnell: Now We Can Get Congress Going - WSJ - WSJ

The Bullet points:

Our priorities in the 114th Congress will be your priorities. That means addressing head-on many of the most pressing challenges facing the country, including:

• The insanely complex tax code that is driving American jobs overseas;

• Health costs that continue to rise under a hopelessly flawed law that Americans have never supported;

• A savage global terrorist threat that seeks to wage war on every American;

• An education system that denies choice to parents and denies a good education to too many children;

• Excessive regulations and frivolous lawsuits that are driving up costs for families and preventing the economy from growing;

• An antiquated government bureaucracy ill-equipped to serve a citizenry facing 21st-century challenges, from disease control to caring for veterans;

• A national debt that has Americans stealing from their children and grandchildren, robbing them of benefits that they will never see and leaving them with burdens that will be nearly impossible to repay.
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I could pick this list apart and Im not a Democrat liberal.

I stopped listening to anybody promising to reform the tax code a long time ago.
To parapharase MArk Twain. Everybody talks about it but nobody does anything about it.

What's 'hopelessly flawed ' about the health care law? I think it's time for Republicans to get honest and admit that it is better than many alternatives.And that it relies heavily on the free market.

When Republicans moan about 'excessive regulations' strangling I really wish they would be specific. Which ones?

You're going to fix the antiquated govt. bureaucracy? ( groan-at least they didn't say they were going to cut fraud waste and abuse.) details, details.

Well-how exactly are you going to tackle that national debt problem?
 
humbolt said:
Damn, JM. You're making it easy for 'em. They can't be bothered to look because they're desperately baiting. It shouldn't be such a mystery for 'em.
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Well, when the other side is being defiantly ignorant it's good to call them on it.
 
KLATTU said:
I could pick this list apart and Im not a Democrat liberal.

I stopped listening to anybody promising to reform the tax code a long time ago.
To parapharase MArk Twain. Everybody talks about it but nobody does anything about it.

What's 'hopelessly flawed ' about the health care law? I think it's time for Republicans to get honest and admit that it is better than many alternatives.And that it relies heavily on the free market.

When Republicans moan about 'excessive regulations' strangling I really wish they would be specific. Which ones?

You're going to fix the antiquated govt. bureaucracy? ( groan-at least they didn't say they were going to cut fraud waste and abuse.) details, details.

Well-how exactly are you going to tackle that national debt problem?
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It's the agenda, sorry if you don't like it. Will you now vote Democrat?

But then with some people it's all a catch 22. Romney released a detailed agenda in 2012 and was excoriated by both sides for being too detailed.
 
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jmotivator said:
McConnell and Boehner penned an agenda statement in the WSJ opinion pages today. You're welcome.

John Boehner and Mitch McConnell: Now We Can Get Congress Going - WSJ - WSJ

The Bullet points:

Our priorities in the 114th Congress will be your priorities. That means addressing head-on many of the most pressing challenges facing the country, including:

• The insanely complex tax code that is driving American jobs overseas;

• Health costs that continue to rise under a hopelessly flawed law that Americans have never supported;

• A savage global terrorist threat that seeks to wage war on every American;

• An education system that denies choice to parents and denies a good education to too many children;

• Excessive regulations and frivolous lawsuits that are driving up costs for families and preventing the economy from growing;

• An antiquated government bureaucracy ill-equipped to serve a citizenry facing 21st-century challenges, from disease control to caring for veterans;

• A national debt that has Americans stealing from their children and grandchildren, robbing them of benefits that they will never see and leaving them with burdens that will be nearly impossible to repay.
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No mention of the border or immigration reform, though that may have been mentioned in the article, but that is a very, very positive 'to do' list!
 
grant said:
no mention of the border or immigration reform, though that may have been mentioned in the article, but that is a very, very positive 'to do' list!
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i don't expect much, republicans talk a good game, but in practice they don't get the job done.
 
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