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GOP seizes Senate

As long as voters keep voting in either a Dem or GOP then the country will never get out of this rut. People keep saying they hate gridlock and arent happy about government yet they keep voting in the same people thats causing it- the two main political parties! :doh
 
haymarket said:
WOW!!!! Where do you jump to the grand canyon conclusion that I am taking credit for the GOP taking the Senate? That is just amazing for you to say something like that!
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haymarket said:
As I have been saying for quite a while now
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this makes it sounds as if you knew the senate would fall in the GOP'S hands, as if its part of your steps......however this information was already known for a very long time.

haymarket said:
Why in the world are you using this as some sort of really lame attack on me instead of discussing the actual post?
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haymarket you know as well as i do, any legislation which is passed by congress is going to be labeled.........."right wing"...this does not take a prognostication to be part of your steps


haymarket said:
Again WOW!!!! You chose to attack instead of discuss. This morning on many of the shows there is already talk of a WHite House that wants to work with the GOP in Congress and is willing to compromise. So my doubts about his resolve are already valid.
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where is the attack????????

your story of the workers.... "will of the people", is as what it looks like a rant........sorry but that's what it is.


haymarket said:
and hopefully by the majority of voters
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so it not going to matter who the GOP picks.....hes going to be labeled as a right wing extortionist, rich person, who wants to screw the people.


haymarket said:
WOW!!!! Again you opt to be involved in a petty attack on me instead of recognizing a scenario for future events that I laid out long before last night ever happened.
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again where is the attack?
 
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BrewerBob said:
Nobody seriously thinks things will change significantly because of this, do they?
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I think the republicans will try to defund the EPA and anything else they don't like.

...And they'll likely stuff the budget bill with anti-abortion bills and whatnot and then threaten to shut down the gubbamint if Obama doesn't pass it.



Basically, people just voted to shut down the government. That could significantly change things.
 
PoS said:
As long as voters keep voting in either a Dem or GOP then the country will never get out of this rut. People keep saying they hate gridlock and arent happy about government yet they keep voting in the same people thats causing it- the two main political parties! :doh
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Just need greater participation in voting.
 
LowDown said:
I'm hoping they will pass bills abolishing the EPA and the IRA. Obama will veto them, of course, but it would set the stage for 2016.

Immigration reform: Give them all work visas and let them get in line behind everyone else for naturalization - no increase in numbers. Dare Obama to veto that.

And about a billion bills that cut taxes and regulations.
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Yes. We certainly want the Irish Repbublican Army outlawed. Or did you mean Individual Retirement Accounts?

Or did you mean the IRS? Because theres nothing that says 'freedom' than taking away the ability of the government to actually collect money to govern.

i can only hope they do crazy **** like you mentioned. That sets the stage for their spectacular death now that they have to actually do something rather than complain about the democrats.
 
humbolt said:
You and exactly who else? There's over 300 bills sitting tabled. You can start there, and maybe you'll get an idea or two.
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Good morning, humbolt. :2wave:

When even the Dems were questioning why their bills - which had bipartisan support - were being tabled, that should have been a wake-up call! Maybe we can now start getting rid of some of the backlog by bringing them to the floor for a vote, and let the country see who's doing what to help or hinder the process. Everything that's proposed by someone is always not a good idea, and we all know that, but at least they'll finally get an airing, which is only fair. I hope so! :doh:
 
Fenton said:
Good job GOP and " eff " off Ried you useless POS.

I guess this means the lefties on the sight are going to be even more sour than they usual..
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Many of us so called lefties don't like Reid either. He's McConnell's counterpart.
 
polgara said:
Good morning, humbolt. :2wave:

When even the Dems were questioning why their bills - which had bipartisan support - were being tabled, that should have been a wake-up call! Maybe we can now start getting rid of some of the backlog by bringing them to the floor for a vote, and let the country see who's doing what to help or hinder the process. Everything that's proposed by someone is always not a good idea, and we all know that, but at least they'll finally get an airing, which is only fair. I hope so! :doh:
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It will be refreshing to have some ideas actually reach the public for a change. Obama has lost the protection of Reid's Senate. How he deals with such things probably won't be pretty, I think. I expect the level of vitriol to rise, not wane. Too bad.
 
Fenton said:
In Texas, Wendy Davis got her ass handed to her.

Not only did she lose her Gubernatorial race she lost her former State Senate seat to a Tea Party candidate.

Lol !
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Well it is Texas. The uber bible belt.
 
Flamethrower said:
I'm laughing at the notion that anyone believes there are still Christians left in the Democrat party.

In fact, anyone who votes for a liberal democrat on religious grounds these days, may as well paint a pentogram on their living room floor.
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So most Catholics are satan worshipers to you since they vote mostly democrat?
 
Didn't read the whole thread, but something lost in all this euphoria is that, the GOP holding congress will force Dems to mark an X to this or that proposed legislation. "If" the GOP is smart and doesn't go for the throat on partisan things, then they will be in a great position to leverage the president on a whole host of important legislation, and maybe even garner enough dem votes to veto-proof themselves, making Obama a true lame duck. What they can't do is allow the President to get out in front of them. Judging by the last six years of Obama, he does not trend in this direction. He will, I assume, react, and not be proactive. He lives in a bubble, surrounded by yes-men, and will miss the elephant in the room until it's too late.

The biggest thing the new congress will have to deal with is would-be GOP Presidential hopefuls grandstanding their way to gridlock, and THAT my friends would be the worst thing to happen. The GOP has top make up and play together in the cesspool that is the American congress, and actually show the American public that they have meaningful legislation that makes sense, is non-partisan, and if implemented will move America forward on the economy, immigration, healthcare, energy etc...


Tim-
 
Removable Mind said:
It will be indeed. The political pendulum has swung once again. At least we have a pendulum that swings. Better than an Autocracy or Theocracy.
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That is if you don't believe both parties are inherently the same. What is the axiom: "The more things change the more they stay the same?"
 
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LowDown said:
I'm hoping they will pass bills abolishing the EPA and the IRA. Obama will veto them, of course, but it would set the stage for 2016.

Immigration reform: Give them all work visas and let them get in line behind everyone else for naturalization - no increase in numbers. Dare Obama to veto that.

And about a billion bills that cut taxes and regulations.
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IRA? The terrorists in Ireland or the savings investments? :2razz:
 
ernst barkmann said:
this makes it sounds as if you knew the senate would fall in the GOP'S hands, as if its part of your steps......however this information was already known for a very long time.
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Its not information until it happens. Before it happens - its a prediction.






haymarket you know as well as i do, any legislation which is passed by congress is going to be labeled.........."right wing"...this does not take a prognostication to be part of your steps
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Do you have any idea how many bills Congress MUST PASS in a session simply to keep the government running and are not at all controversial? They will NOT be labeled as right wing. Your comment shows a fundamental ignorance as to how a legislative body works and what their responsibilities are.






your story of the workers.... "will of the people", is as what it looks like a rant........sorry but that's what it is.
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Perhaps to someone on the far right who does not like others telling it like it is.




so it not going to matter who the GOP picks.....hes going to be labeled as a right wing extortionist, rich person, who wants to screw the people.
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Was Dwight Eisenhower labeled by they democratic candidate running against him as a right wing extremist? What about Nixon? Or Ford? Or George W? or Junior?

Perhaps Reagan was because of his staunch conservatism - as well as McCain.

In other words, the label must fit.

So lets see when it happens. Until then, I stand by my prediction.




again where is the attack?
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The attack is you trying to pick at me making it appear that I suddenly found this this morning and its all just sour grapes and politics against the right. The attack is you trying to make it sound like I took credit for events that I did not take credit for.

Of course, the real question to you now is why you have to resort to crap like that?
 
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American said:
He's spinning this like a kid's toy top, just like he's paid to do.
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The only checks I get these days are from my pension, my social security and my tax shelter. I get nothing for posting here or anywhere else for that matter ......... unless of course you want to send me a check. And that is fine with me.

And I am not "spinning " anything. I laid all this out a while ago here so spinning events which would not happen for months is not exactly an accurate description of what I am doing.

Of course, this brings to the front why you would have to see fit to attack me for something I am not doing?

Thats a rhetorical question as the answer is quite known to me.
 
TheNextEra said:
Nice hyperbole, no true Scottsman huh? Since when do YOU dictate who is Christian or not?
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Well, ya know if yer an anti-Christian liberal-Dem if:

You go to a pagan mating ceremony like a gay marriage.

You support lazyness and sloth with unlimited welfare entitlements.

You vote for those who bear false witness against others---like those who do this all the time---like Obama, Holder and Hillary.

Does that help?
 
EnigmaO01 said:
So most Catholics are satan worshipers to you since they vote mostly democrat?
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Most Catholics who ignore what is written in their Bibles and vote for liberal democrats...

may as well paint a pentogram on their floors, make a broze statue of those they worship like Obama, the Kardashians, and so on.

They ACT like satan worshipers---even if they don't do it directly.
 
haymarket said:
Its not information until it happens. Before it happens - its a prediction.
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so are claiming you made a predication then?

haymarket said:
Do you have any idea how many bills Congress MUST PASS in a session simply to keep the government running and are not at all controversial? They will NOT be labeled as right wing. Your comment shows a fundamental ignorance as to how a legislative body works and what their responsibilities are.
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since the house and senate are going to be in the GOP'S hands, every bill, which does not follow the ideas of the DMC, will be labeled.

i found it extremely funny last night when liberal personalities stated.."now the congress is to be controlled by the republicans and the nations business can take place, the congress should give Obama the bills he wants"

currently there is 387 bills passed by the house which are currently dead in the senate......i wonder how many are extreme?

they must be very extreme since Reid will not allow them to come to the floor for a vote.


haymarket said:
Perhaps to someone on the far right who does not like others telling it like it is.
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well your entitled to your opinion of how you wish the world to be, ...like..... the workers are oppressed by the rich which are evil, greedy, and the poor man is going to rise up and throw off the oppressor, .....story line.


haymarket said:
Was Dwight Eisenhower labeled by they democratic candidate running against him as a right wing extremist? What about Nixon? Or Ford? Or George W? or Junior?

Perhaps Reagan was because of his staunch conservatism - as well as McCain.

In other words, the label must fit.

So lets see when it happens. Until then, I stand by my prediction.
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any candidate the republicans put up is going to be labeled to be extreme, but what is funny is the democrats will work [as they always do] to steer the republican party towards a democrat - lite candidate ....ie Chris Christie, John Huntsman type...someone they find least offensive.


haymarket said:
The attack is you trying to pick at me making it appear that I suddenly found this this morning and its all just sour grapes and politics against the right. The attack is you trying to make it sound like I took credit for events that I did not take credit for.

Of course, the real question to you now is why you have to resort to crap like that?
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no .......you stated to SEE the steps to a DMC landslide in 2016, and some of those steps are already known, and the rest is a rant against the GOP, and your hopes for the future.

as stated in the first line........its a "predication"......
 
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Threegoofs said:
LOL.

Given the fact that the GOP cant pass anything in the House except for 'repeal Obamacare' bills that they only pass because they KNOW they will go nowhere, I'd be stunned if the rational portion of the House GOP can align with the teabag nuts and come up with any reasonable legistlation on anything significant that can get thru the Senate.

I expect the Senate will do a bang up job blocking every administration appointment for the next two years, talk a lot about how immigration reform is really, really important (but not actually do anything), and rip into Obama's EPA reforms, with occasional pauses to shut down government over budgets and the debt ceiling again.
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That's about it.

What baffles me is that GOPers are still duped into thinking that the newly elected GOP Senators actually favor a repeal of PPACA, instead of merely saying they support the repeal to get re-elected.
 
solletica said:
That's about it.

What baffles me is that GOPers are still duped into thinking that the newly elected GOP Senators actually favor a repeal of PPACA, instead of merely saying they support the repeal to get re-elected.
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currently there is about 387 bills the house has passed and Reid will not allow the come up for a vote on the senate floor.

there has been almost no voting in the senate over the last few years.
 
AGENT J said:
hmmm dont know if there was another thread or not but this was expected, its become the norm for two term presidents for the house to switch the last two years.
Not to mention this will simply mean government will be accomplishing LESS whether you want them to or not lol

this is why im an independent and will remain that way forever, its also why I dream of a day when we arent so two party driven in this county. Unfortunately that wont change in my life time.
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What is NOT the norm is a president who has shown such hostility toward his fellow lawmakers.

Recall please that one mister William Clinton ended up in a similar situation and, it seems, he did well, retiring from office one of the most popular presidents of the modern era. There were others, in both parties, Ronald Reagan, Johnson, Eisenhower too, and FDR, well he spent nearly 15 years assuaging egos....

But here we have a petty little king/rock star, who got little done when he had a majority, spent the first two years whining about "I inherited this mess" and the next four blathering "they won't let me."


That is an historic new low and it is only right that the American people now turn their hopes and dreams to the only available alternative, a GOP who hopefully, for them, will not once again circle their wagons and start shooting inward.

But, seriously folks, anyone who thinks anything is going to get accomplished in the next two years is dreaming in technicolor
 
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