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    Re: GOP seizes Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    so i take it you are buying your lamps at tiffany's, while most of us use a store like Sears or Ikea.

    But as an aside, why would i pay a mechanic $ 35.00 an hour, when i can get exactly the same quality of work done for $ 27.50 an hour?

    That's not a right wing mentality.....

    Thats common sense.....something too many on the left never use
    It reminds me of the old marketing story about Sony successfully raising their status in the electronics market by simply raising their prices.

    Also this oldie but goodie:

    Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he stops voting for the Free Fish party.

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    Re: GOP seizes Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    The evidence says that this isn't really clear. Even when one considers educational attainment in various states, the perceived relationship breaks down when one starts looking at voting patterns. For example, from this year's exit polls:

    1. The Democrats won the most and least educated segments of the electorate
    2. The Republicans won the others
    3. All educational groups showed significant support for both parties

    Statistics:
    - Postgraduate study: 53% Dem; 44% Rep
    - College graduate: 44% Dem; 54% Rep
    - Some college/associate degree: 45% Dem; 53% Rep
    - High school graduate: 46% Dem; 53% Rep
    - No high school diploma: 54% Dem; 44% Rep



    The inability to provide specific details is not confined to GOP voters. Moreover, different people have different interests e.g., some GOP voters might want to see a more assertive approach taken against ISIS while others might want to see reduced illegal immigration. But rather then getting down into such details, they may both argue that they want a change in direction. Moreover, voters in any group of political identity don't have entirely homogenous priorities, views and aspirations. There are also voters who voted for the GOP even as they acknowledge, let's say, climate change. Instead, they voted as they did, because they felt other issues were of higher priority for them (maybe they worked for an industry that would be adversely impacted by tougher regulations, hence they chose their own jobs ahead of addressing climate change; that would not be an irrational choice). In short, I'm not aware of credible empirical evidence to sustain the argument that GOP voters are qualitatively less informed than other voters. The exit polling also undercuts that hypothesis.
    There is also the disparity between an eduction and common sense. Judging from the results of many schools at every level it seems that the students are being brain washed rather than gaining a well rounded education.

    Most of those veterans who contributed to winning WWII, and later creating one of the most prosperous economies ever, did not graduate from high school. Yet despite this lack I doubt that anyone would claim these were 'uneducated' people.

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    Re: GOP seizes Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    There is also the disparity between an eduction and common sense. Judging from the results of many schools at every level it seems that the students are being brain washed rather than gaining a well rounded education.

    Most of those veterans who contributed to winning WWII, and later creating one of the most prosperous economies ever, did not graduate from high school. Yet despite this lack I doubt that anyone would claim these were 'uneducated' people.
    I don't disagree. The educational attainment question is a proxy but has limitations. With respect to the WW II veterans, I have no doubt that many of those who did not even graduate from high school could have succeeded in college had they pursued their studies. What that demographic cohort accomplished in all aspects of life attests to that cohort's capability. We owe a lot of the opportunities we have had in life to those veterans, both for their sacrifices during WW II and for what they accomplished afterward. Arguments that they were/are "uneducated" have no merit whatsoever.

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    Re: GOP seizes Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i don't expect much, republicans talk a good game, but in practice they don't get the job done.
    And Democrats do? Were you around for the last six years and Tuesday's election? There's a correlation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    And Democrats do? Were you around for the last six years and Tuesday's election? There's a correlation.
    i have been involved in politics for 30 years, and although i do not agree with democrats and their polices at all, i have to admit, when they get elected ........will work hard to push and get their agenda passed into law.

    republicans make many promises and once elected, generally do not keep most of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cowchops View Post
    No no, I meant in reply to his evidence of job growth. I'm looking more for the sound basis of it than an opinion. Sorry, although I know where you're coming from
    First you have to define what you accept as "evidence"
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    Re: GOP seizes Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    so i take it you are buying your lamps at tiffany's, while most of us use a store like Sears or Ikea.

    But as an aside, why would i pay a mechanic $ 35.00 an hour, when i can get exactly the same quality of work done for $ 27.50 an hour?

    That's not a right wing mentality.....

    Thats common sense.....something too many on the left never use
    I buy American as much as possible. My Guitars are all Gibson and Martin. They cost more however the quality is far superior to any Asian imported guitar. My Jackets and outerwear are SchottNYC. Union made in Brooklyn NY. More money, however the items will last my entire life. My boots are either Frye or Justin. You get what you pay for. I also prefer to keep as much of My consumer dollars in the country and as local as possible. I know some things are impossible to get that are American made, however at least I'm doing My part to try and keep manufacturing jobs here as fruitless as that may sound.
    Give a man a fish and he can eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he can sit in a boat, drinking beer all day while you fool around with his Woman.

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    Re: GOP seizes Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i have been involved in politics for 30 years, and although i do not agree with democrats and their polices at all, i have to admit, when they get elected ........will work hard to push and get their agenda passed into law.

    republicans make many promises and once elected, generally do not keep most of them.
    So tell me about Harry Reid.
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    Re: GOP seizes Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    I buy American as much as possible. My Guitars are all Gibson and Martin.
    Your choices in guitars, at least, appear to be bipartisan.

    Gibson's chief executive, Henry Juszkiewicz, contributed to Republican politicians. Recent donations have included $2,000 to Rep. Marsha Blackburn, R-Tenn., and $1,500 to Sen. Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn.... By contrast, Chris Martin IV, the Martin & Co. CEO, is a longtime Democratic supporter, with $35,400 in contributions to Democratic candidates and the Democratic National Committee over the past couple of election cycles.

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    Re: GOP seizes Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    I buy American as much as possible. My Guitars are all Gibson and Martin. They cost more however the quality is far superior to any Asian imported guitar. My Jackets and outerwear are SchottNYC. Union made in Brooklyn NY. More money, however the items will last my entire life. My boots are either Frye or Justin. You get what you pay for. I also prefer to keep as much of My consumer dollars in the country and as local as possible. I know some things are impossible to get that are American made, however at least I'm doing My part to try and keep manufacturing jobs here as fruitless as that may sound.

    and my boots were made by Heritage in Austin.........so what?

    See there you go with that right wing mentality, get everything as cheap as possible, but in the long run it comes to bite you in the ass. It comes with a price.


    everything comes with a price......and people make decisions every day about where to shop, and what to buy

    Walmart doesnt exactly sell a lot of USA made products though, does it?

    dont blame the right wing for chasing a lot of manufacturing out of this country.....

    the unions, and their unwillingness to see what was happening around the globe contributed mightily to that problem

    The legislators and their trade laws contributed also.....but it was going to happen....sooner or later

    the only right wing part you have right is that corporate america is in business for themselves

    not their workers...not the unions.....

    it is all about the profits and growth of the company.......

    some on the left think that is wrong......i think it is capitalism

    companies have a responsibility to their owners, and their shareholders.....that's it
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