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    Re: GOP seizes Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    McConnell and Boehner penned an agenda statement in the WSJ opinion pages today. You're welcome.

    John Boehner and Mitch McConnell: Now We Can Get Congress Going - WSJ - WSJ

    The Bullet points:

    Our priorities in the 114th Congress will be your priorities. That means addressing head-on many of the most pressing challenges facing the country, including:

    • The insanely complex tax code that is driving American jobs overseas;

    • Health costs that continue to rise under a hopelessly flawed law that Americans have never supported;

    • A savage global terrorist threat that seeks to wage war on every American;

    • An education system that denies choice to parents and denies a good education to too many children;

    • Excessive regulations and frivolous lawsuits that are driving up costs for families and preventing the economy from growing;

    • An antiquated government bureaucracy ill-equipped to serve a citizenry facing 21st-century challenges, from disease control to caring for veterans;

    • A national debt that has Americans stealing from their children and grandchildren, robbing them of benefits that they will never see and leaving them with burdens that will be nearly impossible to repay.
    Greetings, jmotivator.

    Since Obama has put granting amnesty or whatever, via an EO, to millions of illegals in the next week or so, contrary to the wishes of the American people, someone should get a lawsuit filed immediately to get a ruling on whether he has the authority to grant citizenship to anyone, and to halt same until it is decided one way or another. When the new Congress takes over, they can work on jobs and anything else they want to tackle. This amnesty : is a miscarriage of justice, and a slap in the face of those who are following the law! Plus, it's just plain ignoring the laws of our land to suit someone's whim! I have no problem with anyone wanting to live in this country, but do it legally, damn it!

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    Re: GOP seizes Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Liberals and libertarians are reasonably rational and informed, while the GOP voters are clueless morons, as evidenced by the massive discrepancy in quality of life, education, economy, etc. of the liberal states (MA, MN, CA, WA, CT, etc.) vs. the right wing states (MS, AR, AL, LA, etc.).
    The evidence says that this isn't really clear. Even when one considers educational attainment in various states, the perceived relationship breaks down when one starts looking at voting patterns. For example, from this year's exit polls:

    1. The Democrats won the most and least educated segments of the electorate
    2. The Republicans won the others
    3. All educational groups showed significant support for both parties

    Statistics:
    - Postgraduate study: 53% Dem; 44% Rep
    - College graduate: 44% Dem; 54% Rep
    - Some college/associate degree: 45% Dem; 53% Rep
    - High school graduate: 46% Dem; 53% Rep
    - No high school diploma: 54% Dem; 44% Rep

    Even otherwise, as evidenced by right wing posts in this thread itself, it's clear that none of the GOP voters who put the Senate Repubs in power have any idea which of their objective these pols are going to accomplish--a clear indicator of voter ignorance.

    We keep asking them for specifics, and they come up empty
    The inability to provide specific details is not confined to GOP voters. Moreover, different people have different interests e.g., some GOP voters might want to see a more assertive approach taken against ISIS while others might want to see reduced illegal immigration. But rather then getting down into such details, they may both argue that they want a change in direction. Moreover, voters in any group of political identity don't have entirely homogenous priorities, views and aspirations. There are also voters who voted for the GOP even as they acknowledge, let's say, climate change. Instead, they voted as they did, because they felt other issues were of higher priority for them (maybe they worked for an industry that would be adversely impacted by tougher regulations, hence they chose their own jobs ahead of addressing climate change; that would not be an irrational choice). In short, I'm not aware of credible empirical evidence to sustain the argument that GOP voters are qualitatively less informed than other voters. The exit polling also undercuts that hypothesis.

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    Re: GOP seizes Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    It was a useful post. A dramatic juxtaposition to your posting.
    You mean like your categoric knowledge of Obama's agenda? If you can't bother to look, why should I consider your requests seriously? I generally look for myself at those things of political interest to me, and I assume others who are interested do the same. So beyond the grandstanding you and others are disingenuously engaged in, is there anything of substance you might wish to offer? A criticism of some agenda element? Oh, that's right. You don't know of any agenda.

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    Re: GOP seizes Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Damn, JM. You're making it easy for 'em. They can't be bothered to look because they're desperately baiting. It shouldn't be such a mystery for 'em.
    Yeah, all the improvements to the economy, the tax code, education, etc. is all racist, sexist, and right wing. In fact the better it is for the country the more 'extreme right wing' it becomes.

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    Re: GOP seizes Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i don't expect much, republicans talk a good game, but in practice they don't get the job done.
    Maybe. Obama is still Pres but the people will now have an opportunity to see what's on the table and how their politicians react to it.

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    Re: GOP seizes Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Well, when the other side is being defiantly ignorant it's good to call them on it.
    You're probably correct, but I hate to give these clowns much of anything especially when they already know, or should, what's likely to happen.

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    Re: GOP seizes Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by cowchops View Post
    Actually, no, political divide is good for any developed nation. Sure, it gets people angry, but the pendulum is good for fighting tyranny. Myself, I think people should value it more.
    The situation I pointed out would exist only if there were overwhelming evidence that one side had truly superior policy prescriptions. Public policy isn't science. It is linked to the broader environment (demographics, sociocultural situation, technology, etc.), which is in a continual state of flux. Hence, public policy can't become rigid without losing effectiveness. Moreover, since there is no near perfect policy approach, there is diversity of opinion (liberal, conservative, libertarian, etc.). In a world of change, that diversity of political thought is a strength (and your position articulates that), as effective policy makers can draw from a larger pool of ideas to confront societal challenges and opportunities. Clearly, some extremes have been properly discredited e.g., fascism, but in the mainstream, there is a lot of heterogeneity.

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    Re: GOP seizes Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, jmotivator.

    Since Obama has put granting amnesty or whatever, via an EO, to millions of illegals in the next week or so, contrary to the wishes of the American people, someone should get a lawsuit filed immediately to get a ruling on whether he has the authority to grant citizenship to anyone, and to halt same until it is decided one way or another. When the new Congress takes over, they can work on jobs and anything else they want to tackle. This amnesty : is a miscarriage of justice, and a slap in the face of those who are following the law! Plus, it's just plain ignoring the laws of our land to suit someone's whim! I have no problem with anyone wanting to live in this country, but do it legally, damn it!
    I agree. But since the illegal immigration debate is about to be severely modified during the lame duck session it wouldn't make much sense to include the Republican response until Obama makes his move. Obama could just as easily be trying to smoke out the Republicans with this threat of EO, so better to call his bluff and let him further screw the Democrats with yet another unpopular EO if he chooses to go that route.
    Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he stops voting for the Free Fish party.

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    Re: GOP seizes Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yeah, all the improvements to the economy, the tax code, education, etc. is all racist, sexist, and right wing. In fact the better it is for the country the more 'extreme right wing' it becomes.
    According to Obama, all we need is amnesty. Everything else is just fine. We're just too stupid to know it. And that explains the election outcome.

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    Re: GOP seizes Senate

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    See there you go with that right wing mentality, get everything as cheap as possible, but in the long run it comes to bite you in the ass. It comes with a price.

    so i take it you are buying your lamps at tiffany's, while most of us use a store like Sears or Ikea.

    But as an aside, why would i pay a mechanic $ 35.00 an hour, when i can get exactly the same quality of work done for $ 27.50 an hour?

    That's not a right wing mentality.....

    Thats common sense.....something too many on the left never use
    “Most of the shadows of this life are caused by standing in one's own sunshine.”

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