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    Re: U.S. Deficit Decline to 2.8% of GDP Is Unprecedented Turn

    Quote Originally Posted by Kushinator View Post
    There is no need to get personal. That you lose your cool and resort to uncivil responses shows you are here strictly to partisan foot stomp!
    Sorry, but I am totally cool, no malice at all, just logic, common sense, and facts. I am a partisan American who understands the foundation upon which this country was built and it wasn't the liberal foundation nor what today's Democrat Party stands for. I grew up a JFK Democrat so please tell me what Democrat today represents JFK's economic values?

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    Re: U.S. Deficit Decline to 2.8% of GDP Is Unprecedented Turn

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Sorry, but I am totally cool, no malice at all, just logic, common sense, and facts.
    Your post history contradicts this self-description.

    I am a partisan American who understands the foundation upon which this country was built and it wasn't the liberal foundation nor what today's Democrat Party stands for. I grew up a JFK Democrat so please tell me what Democrat today represents JFK's economic values?
    Wrong thread!
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    Re: U.S. Deficit Decline to 2.8% of GDP Is Unprecedented Turn

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    You must not keep up with California politics.
    Correct.
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    Re: U.S. Deficit Decline to 2.8% of GDP Is Unprecedented Turn

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    and that will raise wages for people making minimum or slightly better, how again?

    Moving social welfare programs from the federal to the state governments would just move the problem from one government to another.

    Instead, how about:
    Making policy that people who work should be better off than people who don't?
    Providing training for people who want to take on better paying jobs at a cost they can afford to pay?
    Getting the cost of health care off of the backs of the employers?
    Enforcing the laws against hiring illegal aliens?

    Seems to me that would do more to help the lower socioeconomic people move up the ladder than simply moving their government benefits from the federal to the state level.

    It also seems to me that, absent the stronger economy that exists today as opposed to six years ago, no programs are going to help anyone.
    Pretty simple, hungry people work and those who work for minimum wage for a long period of time need to stop being coddled and forced to realize there are consequences for poor performance and no economic growth. The way to help lower socioeconomic people is to not provide them with a safety net for life but rather let neighbor help neighbor with that neighbor not being the Federal Taxpayers.

    The economic ignorance today is staggering as far too many people think with their hearts and not their brain. Moving the problem to the state and local government is exactly what our Founders wanted, govt. closer to the people. You think a Federal Bureaucrat in D.C. gives a damn about a problem in Boise, Idaho? Better believe that Representative from Boise, Idaho does

    A strong economy depends on people having more spendable income not the govt. pumping billions into it. It requires giving people incentive to grow and become entrepreneurs, take risk, and be rewarded for that risk taking, not channeling their hard work and efforts to others.

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    Re: U.S. Deficit Decline to 2.8% of GDP Is Unprecedented Turn

    Quote Originally Posted by Kushinator View Post
    Your post history contradicts this self-description.



    Wrong thread!
    Wrong interpretation by you and symbolic of your mindset. Logic and common sense from a street smart person will always trump your book smart beliefs. Facts show the failures of liberalism as does the current 3.8 trillion dollar Federal Govt. with most of that in entitlement spending.

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    Re: U.S. Deficit Decline to 2.8% of GDP Is Unprecedented Turn

    Quote Originally Posted by Kushinator View Post


    Do explain in greater detail!
    Wages and median incomes are falling. Job creation is a sick joke. Welfare claims are at an all-time high. Home values are getting back to where they were pre-recession, which is good if you're a baby boomer who owns a home but a catastrophe if you're a millennial whose going to need to buy one soon. Inflation is out of control (if you look at REAL all-item inflation rather than the slight-of-hand CPI prices are rising at closer to 10% per year than the CPI's 1% to 2%). The offshoring of manufacturing jobs is continuing at a steady rate and the offshoring of service jobs continues to increase.
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    Re: U.S. Deficit Decline to 2.8% of GDP Is Unprecedented Turn

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Wrong interpretation by you and symbolic of your mindset.
    You don't know me, and yet in a thread about GDP you made multiple remarks regarding your superiority.

    Logic and common sense from a street smart person will always trump your book smart beliefs.
    Just because i understand the terminology and employ actual analysis of varies data releases in no way renders my position inferior. That you embrace anti-intellectualism only serves as fault in your credibility.

    Facts show the failures of liberalism as does the current 3.8 trillion dollar Federal Govt. with most of that in entitlement spending.
    Your opposition is entirely partisan. I get it, you don't do economics. That surely not a valid reason to ridicule those that do!
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: U.S. Deficit Decline to 2.8% of GDP Is Unprecedented Turn

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Pretty simple, hungry people work and those who work for minimum wage for a long period of time need to stop being coddled and forced to realize there are consequences for poor performance and no economic growth. The way to help lower socioeconomic people is to not provide them with a safety net for life but rather let neighbor help neighbor with that neighbor not being the Federal Taxpayers.

    The economic ignorance today is staggering as far too many people think with their hearts and not their brain. Moving the problem to the state and local government is exactly what our Founders wanted, govt. closer to the people. You think a Federal Bureaucrat in D.C. gives a damn about a problem in Boise, Idaho? Better believe that Representative from Boise, Idaho does

    A strong economy depends on people having more spendable income not the govt. pumping billions into it. It requires giving people incentive to grow and become entrepreneurs, take risk, and be rewarded for that risk taking, not channeling their hard work and efforts to others.
    That philosophy was tried the last time we had an economic collapse. It is referred to as the great depression. There was no safety net then, no government pumping money into the economy, no one being "coddled", just neighbor helping neighbor. Oh, yes, and people were hungry and more than willing to work.

    How did that one work out?
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    Re: U.S. Deficit Decline to 2.8% of GDP Is Unprecedented Turn

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I love correlation vs. causation fallacy's from apologists.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: U.S. Deficit Decline to 2.8% of GDP Is Unprecedented Turn

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    Wages and median incomes are falling.
    But why?

    Unit labor costs are increasing!

    Job creation is a sick joke.
    Normative rant and nothing else.

    Welfare claims are at an all-time high.
    Even if we concede this point, we should expect welfare claims to increase as the country ages and the population grows.

    Home values are getting back to where they were pre-recession, which is good if you're a baby boomer who owns a home but a catastrophe if you're a millennial whose going to need to buy one soon.
    Another normative rant!

    Inflation is out of control (if you look at REAL all-item inflation rather than the slight-of-hand CPI prices are rising at closer to 10% per year than the CPI's 1% to 2%).
    This is nonsense.



    The offshoring of manufacturing jobs is continuing at a steady rate and the offshoring of service jobs continues to increase.
    Maybe you should study up on basic microeconomic trade theory before spouting off at the mouth. It would save quite a bit of time for everyone you engage, along with yourself!
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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