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    Re: U.S. Deficit Decline to 2.8% of GDP Is Unprecedented Turn

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Did you get that out of your text book? Have you ever really spent any time actually talking to real people or do you just spend all your time with book smart street stupid people?
    You know you're beat when all you have left are personal attacks!
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: U.S. Deficit Decline to 2.8% of GDP Is Unprecedented Turn

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    I know this is hard for you to understand but if the majority don't feel the results they didn't happen. A record stock market doesn't resonate with the 20 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers. The unemployment drop doesn't matter to the discouraged workers and the under employed(people who want full time jobs but cannot get it. The Housing market affects less than half the population. The issue is jobs and economic growth. On both counts Obama fails
    Now, you're talking like a left winger. Sure, most of the recovery has affected the wealthiest half of the country. The poor are being left behind. Now, as a conservative, what do you think should be done about it?
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    Re: U.S. Deficit Decline to 2.8% of GDP Is Unprecedented Turn

    Quote Originally Posted by Kushinator View Post
    You know you're beat when all you have left are personal attacks!
    No, with every post of yours I see I realize how fortunate I was to get a degree and actually get out in the real world dealing with real people, hiring, firing, and yes promoting good hard working people rather than having my nose buried in a textbook. I guess getting beat is all in the definition. I will put my resume and results up against yours any day

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    Re: U.S. Deficit Decline to 2.8% of GDP Is Unprecedented Turn

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    Now, you're talking like a left winger. Sure, most of the recovery has affected the wealthiest half of the country. The poor are being left behind. Now, as a conservative, what do you think should be done about it?
    What should be done about it is get rid of liberal feel good policies that create dependence not successful growth. Tough love is going to be needed and not sure that the public is ready for that. Return ALL social programs except the ones already forced on the American people(SS and Medicare) to the states where they belong. Return the Federal Govt. to its original intent, to defend and protect this country. Social programs should all be at the state and local level.

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    Re: U.S. Deficit Decline to 2.8% of GDP Is Unprecedented Turn

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The stock market is up, unemployment is down, the housing market is coming back, how can you say that Obama didn't get results?
    The jobs being created are low paying menial jobs and often part time.

    Wages are stagnant and median household incomes are down.

    Welfare claims are at record levels.

    Macroeconomic indicators point to everything being peachy.

    The microeconomics of middle and lower class Americans feeding their family are the worst they've been in nearly 75 years.
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    Re: U.S. Deficit Decline to 2.8% of GDP Is Unprecedented Turn

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    No, with every post of yours I see I realize how fortunate I was to get a degree and actually get out in the real world dealing with real people, hiring, firing, and yes promoting good hard working people rather than having my nose buried in a textbook. I guess getting beat is all in the definition. I will put my resume and results up against yours any day
    There is no need to get personal. That you lose your cool and resort to uncivil responses shows you are here strictly to partisan foot stomp!
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: U.S. Deficit Decline to 2.8% of GDP Is Unprecedented Turn

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What should be done about it is get rid of liberal feel good policies that create dependence not successful growth. Tough love is going to be needed and not sure that the public is ready for that. Return ALL social programs except the ones already forced on the American people(SS and Medicare) to the states where they belong. Return the Federal Govt. to its original intent, to defend and protect this country. Social programs should all be at the state and local level.
    and that will raise wages for people making minimum or slightly better, how again?

    Moving social welfare programs from the federal to the state governments would just move the problem from one government to another.

    Instead, how about:
    Making policy that people who work should be better off than people who don't?
    Providing training for people who want to take on better paying jobs at a cost they can afford to pay?
    Getting the cost of health care off of the backs of the employers?
    Enforcing the laws against hiring illegal aliens?

    Seems to me that would do more to help the lower socioeconomic people move up the ladder than simply moving their government benefits from the federal to the state level.

    It also seems to me that, absent the stronger economy that exists today as opposed to six years ago, no programs are going to help anyone.
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    Re: U.S. Deficit Decline to 2.8% of GDP Is Unprecedented Turn

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    The microeconomics of middle and lower class Americans feeding their family are the worst they've been in nearly 75 years.


    Do explain in greater detail!
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: U.S. Deficit Decline to 2.8% of GDP Is Unprecedented Turn

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    and that will raise wages for people making minimum or slightly better, how again?

    Moving social welfare programs from the federal to the state governments would just move the problem from one government to another.

    Instead, how about:
    Making policy that people who work should be better off than people who don't?
    Providing training for people who want to take on better paying jobs at a cost they can afford to pay?
    Getting the cost of health care off of the backs of the employers?
    Enforcing the laws against hiring illegal aliens?

    Seems to me that would do more to help the lower socioeconomic people move up the ladder than simply moving their government benefits from the federal to the state level.

    It also seems to me that, absent the stronger economy that exists today as opposed to six years ago, no programs are going to help anyone.
    Changes occur with far less difficulty at the state/local level; one big driving factor is that they cannot simply print or endlessly borrow money required to fund them. Many states simply view these federal funds as "free money" being pumped into their state's economy. State/local elected officials don't tend to win (or lose) elections based on federal tax, spending and borrowing policy - congress critters enjoy a 90%+ re-election rate so they just don't really care about making changes to that which is clearly working to keep most of them in office.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: U.S. Deficit Decline to 2.8% of GDP Is Unprecedented Turn

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Changes occur with far less difficulty at the state/local level; one big driving factor is that they cannot simply print or endlessly borrow money required to fund them. Many states simply view these federal funds as "free money" being pumped into their state's economy. State/local elected officials don't tend to win (or lose) elections based on federal tax, spending and borrowing policy - congress critters enjoy a 90%+ re-election rate so they just don't really care about making changes to that which is clearly working to keep most of them in office.
    You must not keep up with California politics.
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