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The Mid-Terms Results Thread [W:517]

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Mycroft said:
It's not in Obama's nature. He doesn't work with people and he doesn't have the balls to stand on an issue without cover.

Back in 2010, Obama had his Senate to run interference for him. That's gone now. He has two choices:

1. Take a hard line, veto everything and EO anything he can.

The problem with this approach is that,

1. He doesn't have the courage to buck the Republicans AND Democrats who want to work with the Republicans.
2. He will do more harm to Democrats than good.

2. Act like he's working with the Republicans while he uses his bully pulpit and the media to put them and their ideas in a bad light.

This is really the only good course he can take. Anything else will either make his own Democrat buddies mad at him and/or hurt the Democrats going into the 2016 Presidential election.

He's a lame duck and he really needs to accept that fact.
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Yeah, and now BO peep best not have any serious scandals come out this next year......as then it wont matter about that temporary Pen he carries.
 
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Hamster Buddha said:
Damn listening to Juan Williams, talking about Obama being vindictive and wanting to make the Republicans pay ... I really hope he's wrong, but I don't think so.
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Nope. We saw after 2010 that that's Who He Is.
 
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MMC said:
They just got down saying he will run as a Washington Outsider as an Answer to Clinton. Also that the Repubs will have to Consider Walker who has won 3 Elections in 4 years. That they cannot deny him a shot on the ticket.
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Brown is the epitome of establishment democrat. So is Clinton. It will be amusing watching them pretend otherwise.
 
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Zyphlin said:
So normally CNN is my favorite for election coverage. Unfortunately, a few of their new commentators (Van Jones) just IRRITATE me. I don't mind liberals, but he's just so......he's like a crazy hyper partisan liberal hack on the forum, only in real life. Can't stand listening to him. Also, Blitzer is kind of a boring host. I like it better once Cooper takes over.

I'll sometimes go to Fox, but can't stay on it long as some of their commentators just bore me. However, Meghan Kelly has been very good and entertaining throughout the night when I switch over.

I almost never listen to MSNBC, but I'm engaging in a little bit of Schadenfreude now and watching MSNBC. I'm kind of shocked to not see some nooses hanging out in the background.
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I'm trying hard to not give in to schadenfreude. But I am delighted that Charlie Crist has been defeated and also Wendy Davis in Texas. Not the humiliatingly ignominious defeat that I would truly enjoy because she's just a terrible person, but at least she did decisively lose. :)
 
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eohrnberger said:
Yeah, I can see that. Perhaps term limits would help.

We certainly need to get out of the pattern of actions and response that we currently seem to be stuck in. It's not any good for the country.
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I'd support single terms for ALL elected federal representatives.
 
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nota bene said:
Jerry Brown running would be very entertaining, wouldn't it?
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No chance.
Brown would be 78yo on election day 2016.
He's still pretty sharp, but he's really too old.
 
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Zyphlin said:
Ahhh, thanks Chris Matthews...Republicans are Rats, they just managed to make their candidates look cuter like Squirrels which are essentially just cute rats.
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They're vegetarian, that's why they can be eaten.
 
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cpwill said:
Nope. We saw after 2010 that that's Who He Is.
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I agree we didn't see Obama want to cooperate, but I wouldn't go so far as to say vindictive.
 
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US Conservative said:
Brown is the epitome of establishment democrat. So is Clinton. It will be amusing watching them pretend otherwise.
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Yeah, but Jerry Brown wont be considered a Washington croonie like Clinton.
 
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Hamster Buddha said:
I agree we didn't see Obama want to cooperate, but I wouldn't go so far as to say vindictive.
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.....did you miss the speech where he teased Republicans that he was going to adopt the Simpson-Bowles plan as a way to cement his legacy through major compromise in order to get them to all come to a speech so that he could accuse them of wanting to kill grandmothers and children with downs syndrome on live national television?
 
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Zyphlin said:
So normally CNN is my favorite for election coverage. Unfortunately, a few of their new commentators (Van Jones) just IRRITATE me. I don't mind liberals, but he's just so......he's like a crazy hyper partisan liberal hack on the forum, only in real life. Can't stand listening to him. Also, Blitzer is kind of a boring host. I like it better once Cooper takes over.

I'll sometimes go to Fox, but can't stay on it long as some of their commentators just bore me. However, Meghan Kelly has been very good and entertaining throughout the night when I switch over.

I almost never listen to MSNBC, but I'm engaging in a little bit of Schadenfreude now and watching MSNBC. I'm kind of shocked to not see some nooses hanging out in the background.
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Van is hopeless. I just sat there jaw dropped when he said "they aren't showing up to vote!" Well, yes, Van. That's why you cannot drop average, middle age blue collar folks for young people and racial minorities and expect to have a coalition that keeps growing past 1 election. Welcome to 1968.

First move: stop catering to young people. They never vote. Welcome them if they are energetic and vote, but don't bow down to them and sure as hell remove the Twitter/Youtube participation (especially during a debate).

Step two: What was Joe Biden's one key contribution to the ticket? Average blue collar folk. Why are they important? Because they tend to be the folks the Democratic base likes to ignore over the past 50 years and they pay the price for it.
 
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Moot said:
I'm not...the polls have been showing the GOP would take the senate for months.
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What about the Governors Races? I think It wasn't a shock either, but to lose Illinois, Michigan, Maryland ... just to name a few.
 
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Moot said:
I'm not...the polls have been showing the GOP would take the senate for months.
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Heya Moot. :2wave: Well, why did most of the left here then try to play like it wasn't? Or if they knew it to be so.....then why deny reality. :lol:
 
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cpwill said:
.....did you miss the speech where he teased Republicans that he was going to adopt the Simpson-Bowles plan as a way to cement his legacy through major compromise in order to get them to all come to a speech so that he could accuse them of wanting to kill grandmothers and children with downs syndrome on live national television?
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To be honest no, but then again, I try to forget the Simpson-Bowles commision as it is a sore spot for me...
 
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Ah I love to hate the Turks, been watching them off and on... by the way Youtube has been amazing, they showed PBS, Turks, Fox, ABC, Jon Stewart they had an amazing group... can you believe that some of these guys think that had they only championed the progressive issues... Oh and now the Turk is saying Black people make better tapes than White people... I'm so confused, yet entertained... lol

Is there a video going around that I don't know about?
 
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Hamster Buddha said:
Nice soliloquy but it's not true. People bash on special interests a lot but I doubt you'd be so tough on the issues that you feel very strongly about, because I guarantee you there's a group out there for you. Really, special interest groups are the only thing keeping politicians honest to what the people want. People talk about all the money spent on ads but really, has an political ad ever swayed you to go one side or the other? This election wasn't about money, but about a country that is on the wrong track and looking for a different direction. Finally, about billionaires, I think I'd trust someone who's made billions (you don't make billions by the way, not personally anyways, on stocks so putting aside hedge brokers as a separate group) in fixing the economy, over some guy on a minimum wage job or some career politician in Washington.
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Nobody ever thinks they've been swayed by a political ad, but there's definitive proof that they work, so your argument doesn't really hold water. The problem with trusting billionaires is that most of them spend their life trying to get richer. Their interests don't lie in making the country a better place for the average American. Their interests lie in shifting public policy to benefit themselves, regardless of how many average americans are harmed in the process.

I don't have a problem with the existence of lobbyists, it's the fact that the big three I mentioned - special interests, bureaucrats and billionaires - have our politicians on leashes. Either you aren't paying attention and thus do not accept this to be true, or you prefer we have a system where our representatives have no incentive to do the right thing.
 
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Hamster Buddha said:
To be honest no, but then again, I try to forget the Simpson-Bowles commision as it is a sore spot for me...
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Yeah. The One We've All Been Waiting For doesn't take historically take disobedience on the part of the plebes well. He takes it personally.
 
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Hamster Buddha said:
Nice soliloquy but it's not true. People bash on special interests a lot but I doubt you'd be so tough on the issues that you feel very strongly about, because I guarantee you there's a group out there for you. Really, special interest groups are the only thing keeping politicians honest to what the people want. People talk about all the money spent on ads but really, has an political ad ever swayed you to go one side or the other? This election wasn't about money, but about a country that is on the wrong track and looking for a different direction. Finally, about billionaires, I think I'd trust someone who's made billions (you don't make billions by the way, not personally anyways, on stocks so putting aside hedge brokers as a separate group) in fixing the economy, over some guy on a minimum wage job or some career politician in Washington.
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Hey, watch out there...I'm liking a libertarian's post. What the heck is going on?
 
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