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    Re: The Mid-Terms Results Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Locally here in IL, GOP winners are acting like the ass and DEM losers are behaving with class.
    As we picked up signs today, I wasn't bothered as some of my GOOD Dem friends were with GOP signs left up.
    Or their petty poll watching games yesterday.

    We got our asses kicked on every possible level with a better ground game, more money, better ads and a better message from leaders.
    But worst of all for me, we had a chance in IL compared to your OK, but our people didn't vote again, just as in 2010 and 1994.


    Well I know you worked your ass off in this election, so I understand how let down you feel. but it is time to look forward not backwards as 2016 will be here before you know it and we get to try again. I don't know why we even bother to vote here in OK, but enough people voted Democratic to send a message to Gov Fallin and her cronies.

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    Re: The Mid-Terms Results Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Well I know you worked your ass off in this election, so I understand how let down you feel. but it is time to look forward not backwards as 2016 will be here before you know it and we get to try again. I don't know why we even bother to vote here in OK, but enough people voted Democratic to send a message to Gov Fallin and her cronies.
    But what messaging did we hear today--Rand Paul bashing Hillary and silence from Hillary--more of the Dukakis behavior.
    McConnell looking great and Obama mediocre.

    Same as last November with the multi-million ads against ACA while the Dems were silent but could have hammered on government shutdown.
    Priebus is trashing DWS in the messaging--GOPs never stop working--we do .
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    Re: The Mid-Terms Results Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    While I'd agree that Cruz wouldn't be a good choice for majority leader, I can't agree that he should be marginalized. What really needs to be done is that his voice be added to the chorus, but moderated to some extent, as he does speak for some of the electorate. Marginalizing him is only going to make him speak louder and in more extreme terms. incorporating that strong voice, and moderating the message a bit, if possible, would be a better outcome, IMHO. After all, the Republican party is a big tent of many voices.


    Eeww. Can't stand Grayson. You think Crist is slimy? Grayson is just worse than that by 10 times.
    Cruz tends to marginalize himself - he's too ego driven and self-important to ever be a leader and a person who can bring divergent forces together. That makes him dangerous to the Republicans moving forward and getting anything serious accomplished. Cruz isn't wrong on all or most of his policy positions - it's just his style and approach is incredibly off-putting and he just drives away people who might support him otherwise. If he had the temperament and style of a Rand Paul, as an example, with the same policy positions, he'd be far more effective.

    In my view, the Republicans have less than two years to make a statement that they can move government forward in a reasonable and adult manner and they don't have time to groom Cruz, even if he could be groomed, or have any of the stunts that have plagued them in the past few years. If they want to get the White House and retain both sides of the House they need to be serious. 2016 is going to be a year when a lot of Republicans in the Senate are up for reelection - they can't have a troubled 2 years now if they want to retain and perhaps build on those seats.
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    Re: The Mid-Terms Results Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    I have to say, what an astounding election. The Republicans did not do anything special, no real national issue. They just were not Democrats. I don't think there has ever been an election where the American people so soundly rejected one party. I mean there were even left leaning ballot initiatives that passed, but the voter still voted for the Republican!

    Obama, totally and completely rejected. Too bad he wasn't on the ballot. He may have lost worse that Carter and Dukakis did against Reagan! I wonder how he feels? The worst, most rejected president in history. Six years of incompetence and blunders, one after the other. You really have to be pretty bad to be so rejected, but the democrats managed to do it.
    This is absolutely true. In my view, if Obama hadn't been the first black American President he would have been completely rejected in 2012. Racial guilt on one side and racial pride on the other both worked in conjunction to save him from a resounding defeat then. He is easily the most incompetent, ineffectual President in modern times.
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    Re: The Mid-Terms Results Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Certain areas had large turnouts, but you are right, because the majority of voters are misinformed and pay little attention to politics until the last week or so and then only to watch the TV ads. A candidate has to make them understand how their own lives could be personally affected, otherwise they have no interest.
    I appreciate your undying support for President Obama but you have to remember that a lot of the vulnerable Democrat Senators this election cycle were in/from states that voted for Romney in the 2010 Presidential election. They got elected in the Obama 2008 sweep and were seriously vulnerable as Obama's luster dulled. States like North Carolina, Louisiana, Montana, etc. would not have returned Democrat Senators if their campaign was based on undying support of President Obama and his administration. Their only hope for reelection was to marginalize Obama and try to convince voters that Obama would be gone soon and they could still serve their constituents despite Obama. They failed, but they would have been completely blown out of the water had they paraded Obama and his Presidency around their states.
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    Re: The Mid-Terms Results Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Until you see the McConnell press conference in full, you haven't got a clue as to how good he can be.
    He will squash any of the little GOP bugs like Paul, Cruz or Rubio.

    McConnell will work out deals within his own caucus with normals like Cornyn, Thune, Alexander, Collins, Portman and the rest of the GOOD Republicans.
    They will then simply hand the deal to Boehner and tell him to sign off.
    Too bad you're stuck in this ridiculous mindset that the two parties won't work together.

    As a newly ordained Son of the American Legion,
    my now dead Father would expect no less of me than to support Majority Leader McConnell at this very important time in our Nation's history .
    Mindset, maybe. But what I seen so far the two parties haven't work together for the last 6 years. That could change as you say, but I doubt it very much. At this juncture going on past history, experience, I fully expect McConnell to be a Republican version of Harry Reid. Party over country.

    But time will tell, I have been wrong before and will be wrong again. Rhetoric is cheap, most politicians always say the right things in a speech. That doesn't count, it is their actions that count. Time will tell.
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    Re: The Mid-Terms Results Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    I actually disagree with you. The President's agenda was not defeated as most of the Democratic candidates did not run on the President's agenda, which is why they lost. Distancing themselves from the President hurt them instead of helping them.

    Better tell that to Obama

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    Re: The Mid-Terms Results Thread [W:517]

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Clown? That is disrespectful to the max! Yes, I am angry, but not at Obama! Not that I agreed with everything that he did, but for the most part I thought he was doing a pretty good job..

    A pretty good job? Over 7 trillion added to the debt, 20 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers, the same number of people working today as were working when the recession began, stagnant GDP, Debt exceeding our yearly GDP, Foreign policy disasters? Guess you were referring to his golf handicap? Must be lonely for a progressive in Oklahoma!

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    Re: The Mid-Terms Results Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Locally here in IL, GOP winners are acting like the ass and DEM losers are behaving with class.
    As we picked up signs today, I wasn't bothered as some of my GOOD Dem friends were with GOP signs left up.
    Or their petty poll watching games yesterday.

    We got our asses kicked on every possible level with a better ground game, more money, better ads and a better message from leaders.
    But worst of all for me, we had a chance in IL compared to your OK, but our people didn't vote again, just as in 2010 and 1994.
    No, what you need are better economic and foreign policy results. It does appear that not everyone is a hard core Democrat and do look at actual results which they feel daily.

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    Re: The Mid-Terms Results Thread [W:517]

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    No. Why would it be?
    I just wondered because of the wording of the post I responded to...Made it sound like as long as you support thae liar at the moment that was fine.
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