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    Re: Ferguson police used flight restrictions to muzzle media, with feds' help

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Might want to read something other than Al Jazeera and RT, which tend to spin things into an anti-US view when this as an example has a very simple explanation that has historical and safety precedence.

    It is normal practice to limit airspace access over areas that police helicopters are being used, to reduce the potential for mid-air collisions in uncontrollable airspace with police and news helicopters flying all around in every direction and altitude (usually in the dark but also during daylight hours) without the ability to prevent them from making course or altitude changes at will, which is because mid-air collisions and near collisions have happened in the past. This is done in many areas, including the liberal havens of California, New York and so on.

    Here's just one example: 2007 Phoenix news helicopter collision - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    From the OP's quote: "...audio recordings obtained by The Associated Press show that local authorities privately acknowledged the purpose was to keep away news helicopters.The new revelation is fresh evidence of the tension between law enforcement and media in the St. Louis suburb, where reporters and photographers said they suffered harassment by police while covering protests..."

    Also, I have personally seen at least four newscopters hovering in the air above several large protests.

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    Re: Ferguson police used flight restrictions to muzzle media, with feds' help

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    My friend, I explained to you already that the media helicopters are dangerous and are not controllable by the FAA, and given that there were numerous police helicopters flying around, the airspace had to be restricted to controlled commercial traffic and the police only. It was a safety issue.

    Has nothing to do with free press. This story has everything to do with the press being pissed off and pole vaulting over rat turds in an attempt to make it out to be some sinister conspiracy against them. Which it is not.
    The facts revealed by the audio recordings contradict your bogus claim.

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    Re: Ferguson police used flight restrictions to muzzle media, with feds' help

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post

    The AP also reports this.


    So?


    The folks here have been telling you why this no-fly zone was put in place yet you refuse to acknowledge it.
    Why?

    Yes they wanted to keep press helicopters out, not to restrict the Press, which is a claim disproved by the Press on the ground.



    It was a safety issue and nothing more.


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    From your link:
    "..On the tapes, an FAA manager is heard assuring a St. Louis County Police Department official that the updated restrictions would allow planes to land at nearby Lambert-St. Louis International Airport but, "It will still keep news people out. ... The only way people will get in there is if they give them permission in there anyway so ... it still keeps all of them out."

    "Yeah," replied a county police captain. "I have no problem with that whatsoever."

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    Re: Ferguson police used flight restrictions to muzzle media, with feds' help

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    From the OP's quote: "...audio recordings obtained by The Associated Press show that local authorities privately acknowledged the purpose was to keep away news helicopters.The new revelation is fresh evidence of the tension between law enforcement and media in the St. Louis suburb, where reporters and photographers said they suffered harassment by police while covering protests..."

    Also, I have personally seen at least four newscopters hovering in the air above several large protests.
    I've seen news helicopters over lots of things, and I've also seen the ATC close the airspace to news helicopters (and other helicopters) during many events. It happens a lot during disasters and emergencies. Not all the time, but a lot. It depends on the local government's needs, concerns and the FAA's concurrence with the need.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    The facts revealed by the audio recordings contradict your bogus claim.
    To keep quoting (as you and many others here have done) the fact that it was done to limit news helicopters and there are recordings saying so doesn't show intent to restrict the press, but proves that it was done for the exact same reason it was done during Hurricane Sandy, Katrina and Floyd, as well as during the Moore, Oklahoma tornado and many, many other events.
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    Re: Ferguson police used flight restrictions to muzzle media, with feds' help

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    A broadcast quality drone costs more than that. It isn't legal to use a drone for commercial purposes without an FAA permit, and the permits are virtually impossible to obtain. I don't know whether balloons are legal to use that way.
    Better to ask forgiveness where balloons are concerned. And it isn't illegal for a private citizen to do it...and give it to the news.
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    Re: Ferguson police used flight restrictions to muzzle media, with feds' help

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Facts are not weak, and are not a counterpoint - they just happen to be "the point."
    And what facts are those you refer to?

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    Re: Ferguson police used flight restrictions to muzzle media, with feds' help

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post

    The AP also reports this.


    So?


    The folks here have been telling you why this no-fly zone was put in place yet you refuse to acknowledge it.
    Why?

    Yes they wanted to keep press helicopters out, not to restrict the Press, which is a claim disproved by the Press on the ground.



    It was a safety issue and nothing more.


    JJMcNab ~ Twitter
    From your link:
    "..On the tapes, an FAA manager is heard assuring a St. Louis County Police Department official that the updated restrictions would allow planes to land at nearby Lambert-St. Louis International Airport but, "It will still keep news people out. ... The only way people will get in there is if they give them permission in there anyway so ... it still keeps all of them out."

    "Yeah," replied a county police captain. "I have no problem with that whatsoever."
    You have made no point.
    It has been shown several times now in this thread that it was for safety purposes.
    Never once has it been shown that it was to suppress the ability of the press to report on the incidences.

    Safety purposes is not direct or purposeful suppression of the press to report the ongoing incidences. It has been shown they were allowed above a certain altitude and it is known that they had more than unfettered access on the ground.
    That is the hard truth which you apparently can not accept.


    Here is another report from yesterday that others may be interested in.

    St. Louis County Police says intelligence reported both shots, lasers targeting helicopters in Ferguson, Mo., area - @rlippmann
    AirLive.net: ALERT St. Louis County Police says intelligence reported both shots, lasers targeting helicopters in Ferguson, Mo., area - @rlippmann


    So can the bs folks, the restrictions are there and were there for safety purposes.
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    Re: Ferguson police used flight restrictions to muzzle media, with feds' help

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Hi. Pilot for 30+ years here (Private, multi-engine, Recip, Retract, Variable pitch, Turbo-prop and Jet, IFR ratings, as well as others) - I do know what I'm talking about.
    Then you explained it poorly. TFRs often go up to protect search and rescue operations, or firefighting operations, or the like, but it is absolutely not standard procedure to put up such a restriction every time a police helicopter operates somewhere. (because police helicopters are all over the place, all the time) An understandable mistake, jet pilots rarely actually have to deal with such things.
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    Re: Ferguson police used flight restrictions to muzzle media, with feds' help

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    And what facts are those you refer to?
    Read my previous posts in this thread.
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    Re: Ferguson police used flight restrictions to muzzle media, with feds' help

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Then you explained it poorly. TFRs often go up to protect search and rescue operations, or firefighting operations, or the like, but it is absolutely not standard procedure to put up such a restriction every time a police helicopter operates somewhere. (because police helicopters are all over the place, all the time) An understandable mistake, jet pilots rarely actually have to deal with such things.
    Possibly. I'm not a master of verbal rhetoric. Just for the record, I didn't say it happens all the time or even every time a police helicopter is in the air. Please re-read what I said, and I'm sure you will see that what I said was not an all encompassing statement. I even discussed how the local government has to make a case to the FAA to do so and get their approval.
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