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    Re: Ferguson police used flight restrictions to muzzle media, with feds' help

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post

    The AP also reports this.


    So?


    The folks here have been telling you why this no-fly zone was put in place yet you refuse to acknowledge it.
    Why?

    Yes they wanted to keep press helicopters out, not to restrict the Press, which is a claim disproved by the Press on the ground.



    It was a safety issue and nothing more.


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    Someone must not of read the article.. "On the tapes, an FAA manager described the helicopter shooting as unconfirmed "rumors."


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    Re: Ferguson police used flight restrictions to muzzle media, with feds' help

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Someone must not of read the article.. "On the tapes, an FAA manager described the helicopter shooting as unconfirmed "rumors."
    In fairness, he followed up that comment with saying he never saw any official reports. Now that wouldn't be all that surprising considering that the Ferguson PD was in full on "All hands on deck" for what was going on. People are going to pull resources to do paperwork in the middle of a full response.

    Is it completely unfathomable that rioters were taking shots at the PD helicopter?

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    Re: Ferguson police used flight restrictions to muzzle media, with feds' help

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Someone must not of read the article.. "On the tapes, an FAA manager described the helicopter shooting as unconfirmed "rumors."

    I read the articles. Probably before you did.
    I even posted about recent restricted airspace above Ferguson on 31 Oct to 1 Nov.

    And what the heck do you call what I provided but unconfirmed.

    Yet the claim still exists and it was those with feet on the ground making the claims.
    So for safety reasons it was more than appropriate to restrict the air space, yet for some reason you don't seem to understand that.
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    Re: Ferguson police used flight restrictions to muzzle media, with feds' help

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Yes we do. However, when the interests of public safety come into play such rights are, justifiably, restricted in ways which are the least obstructive to those freedoms. In this case there was ample opportunity for the media to do their thing on the ground and the restriction on aerial operations was minimally obstructive.
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    Re: Ferguson police used flight restrictions to muzzle media, with feds' help

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Give me a break ADPST.
    "audio recordings obtained by The Associated Press show that local authorities privately acknowledged the purpose was to keep away news helicopters."... ""They finally admitted it really was to keep the media out," said one FAA manager about the St. Louis County Police in a series of recorded telephone conversations"..... "a manager at the FAA's Kansas City center said police "did not care if you ran commercial traffic through this TFR (temporary flight restriction) all day long. They didn't want media in there."....
    Come on, TDS, you aren't serious, are you? What altitude were the commercial jet liners be flying at? Do you think they were a threat to collide with police helicopters?

    Was it to keep the press out? Hell yes, the press HELICOPTERS. Are you trying to argue that there wasn't enough press allowed into Ferguson to capture what happened there? Because if so you are crazy.
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    Re: Ferguson police used flight restrictions to muzzle media, with feds' help

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I'd agree. I mean, hell, there was almost no media coverage of the protests. If you didn't live there you probably had no idea what was happening.
    Well, we totally missed the all the marching band-like formations the rampaging crowds were forming for the news helicopters that just never came.

    Their space invaders montage was top notch, so the police tell me.
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    Re: Ferguson police used flight restrictions to muzzle media, with feds' help

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    AP....
    The article quotes an accusation by one FAA person on a tape. It does not make the statement as a matter of fact. The vast majority of the article disproves the taped claim by an unnamed FAA person. For example:

    KMOV-TV News Director Brian Thouvenot told the AP that his station was prepared at first to legally challenge the flight restrictions, but was later advised that its pilot could fly over the area as long as the helicopter stayed above 3,000 feet. That kept the helicopter and its mounted camera outside the restricted zone, although filming from such a distance, he said, was "less than ideal."
    And let's also keep in mind that countless reporters were on the ground.

    Pretending the AP article proves your claim is nonsense.
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    Re: Ferguson police used flight restrictions to muzzle media, with feds' help

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Might want to read something other than Al Jazeera and RT, which tend to spin things into an anti-US view when this as an example has a very simple explanation that has historical and safety precedence.

    It is normal practice to limit airspace access over areas that police helicopters are being used, to reduce the potential for mid-air collisions in uncontrollable airspace with police and news helicopters flying all around in every direction and altitude (usually in the dark but also during daylight hours) without the ability to prevent them from making course or altitude changes at will, which is because mid-air collisions and near collisions have happened in the past. This is done in many areas, including the liberal havens of California, New York and so on.

    Here's just one example: 2007 Phoenix news helicopter collision - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    That is a pretty weak counterpoint. Newly revealed records, discussed in places other than this, clearly show that the purpose of the requested TFR was to keep the media out. Ferguson's claims of their helicopter being fired upon are called "rumors" even by the feds.

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    Re: Ferguson police used flight restrictions to muzzle media, with feds' help

    There's a fair bit of cognitive dissonance going on with the conservatives regarding this Ferguson situation.

    You don't trust government, but you appear to blindly belief anything that comes out from the Ferguson PD. Even confronted with straight up proof, you make every effort to deny, deflect or completely ignore evidence that gives credence to the idea that there's something fishy going on in Ferguson.

    It's kind of pathetic.
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    Re: Ferguson police used flight restrictions to muzzle media, with feds' help

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Might want to read something other than Al Jazeera and RT, which tend to spin things into an anti-US view when this as an example has a very simple explanation that has historical and safety precedence.

    It is normal practice to limit airspace access over areas that police helicopters are being used, to reduce the potential for mid-air collisions in uncontrollable airspace with police and news helicopters flying all around in every direction and altitude (usually in the dark but also during daylight hours) without the ability to prevent them from making course or altitude changes at will, which is because mid-air collisions and near collisions have happened in the past. This is done in many areas, including the liberal havens of California, New York and so on.

    Here's just one example: 2007 Phoenix news helicopter collision - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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