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    Re: Ferguson police used flight restrictions to muzzle media, with feds' help

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Authorities probably did request the restriction. The last thing you need when you're trying to keep a riot under control is some asshole in a news chopper telling the "protesters" where the cops are staging and what direction they're moving.

    We have this little thing called the Free Press.


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    Re: Ferguson police used flight restrictions to muzzle media, with feds' help

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Direct quotes. They were no reason to be worried of the safety of the helicopters. Might wanna read they article before posting...
    Nothing?

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    Re: Ferguson police used flight restrictions to muzzle media, with feds' help

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post

    We have this little thing called the Free Press.
    What about public safety?

    If there had been a crash, you would be the first ine screaming about how Ferguson was negligent.
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    Re: Ferguson police used flight restrictions to muzzle media, with feds' help

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Because they issued the restriction and it banned media helicopters from entering the area, and as the tapes and direct quotes reveal it was not about "safety" it was about silencing the media. So much for "free press".
    No, tuey banned ALL aircraft from the airspace.
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    Re: Ferguson police used flight restrictions to muzzle media, with feds' help

    Did you read the article?
    --Also its interesting to note that the helicopter accident you bring up was not because of "overcrowded airspace" it was: "cause of this accident was both pilots' failure to see and avoid the other helicopter. Contributing to this failure was the pilots' responsibility to perform reporting and visual tracking duties to support their station's [electronic news gathering] operation. Contributing to the accident was the lack of formal procedures for Phoenix-area ENG pilots to follow regarding the conduct of these operations."


    But as well, again, as direct quotes from the FAA state that they were not worried about safety but wanted to ban the media covering the situation on the ground.


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    Re: Ferguson police used flight restrictions to muzzle media, with feds' help

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Because they issued the restriction and it banned media helicopters from entering the area, and as the tapes and direct quotes reveal it was not about "safety" it was about silencing the media. So much for "free press".
    My friend, I explained to you already that the media helicopters are dangerous and are not controllable by the FAA, and given that there were numerous police helicopters flying around, the airspace had to be restricted to controlled commercial traffic and the police only. It was a safety issue.

    Has nothing to do with free press. This story has everything to do with the press being pissed off and pole vaulting over rat turds in an attempt to make it out to be some sinister conspiracy against them. Which it is not.
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    Re: Ferguson police used flight restrictions to muzzle media, with feds' help

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Blame the source. I guess AP must have an "anti-US view" AP Exclusive: Ferguson no-fly zone aimed at media
    I personally would like to here the raw recordings and see if the police actually stated their purpose was to keep media out.

    The restricted flight zone initially encompassed airspace in a 3.4-mile radius around Ferguson and up to 5,000 feet in altitude, but police agreed to reduce it to 3,000 feet after the FAA's command center in Warrenton, Virginia, complained to managers in Kansas City that it was impeding traffic into St. Louis.
    The restriction ceiling was 3k feet. I'm not saying that wasn't truly the police's intended purpose but have seen similar restrictions placed during response activities and the same claims made that its intent was to keep the media out.

    Recall Anderson Cooper getting his tampon string all knotted up during the Deep Water Horizon oil spill response over an nearly identical air space restriction. And I can matter of fact state that the purpose of that restriction was due to the number of aircraft involved in the response and the media's pilots utterly ignoring air traffic controllers for the area.

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    Re: Ferguson police used flight restrictions to muzzle media, with feds' help

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Did you read the article?
    --Also its interesting to note that the helicopter accident you bring up was not because of "overcrowded airspace" it was: "cause of this accident was both pilots' failure to see and avoid the other helicopter. Contributing to this failure was the pilots' responsibility to perform reporting and visual tracking duties to support their station's [electronic news gathering] operation. Contributing to the accident was the lack of formal procedures for Phoenix-area ENG pilots to follow regarding the conduct of these operations."


    But as well, again, as direct quotes from the FAA state that they were not worried about safety but wanted to ban the media covering the situation on the ground.
    It wasn't overcrowded airspace. And it still happened.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Ferguson police used flight restrictions to muzzle media, with feds' help

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Blame the source. I guess AP must have an "anti-US view" AP Exclusive: Ferguson no-fly zone aimed at media

    The AP also reports this.


    So?


    The folks here have been telling you why this no-fly zone was put in place yet you refuse to acknowledge it.
    Why?

    Yes they wanted to keep press helicopters out, not to restrict the Press, which is a claim disproved by the Press on the ground.



    It was a safety issue and nothing more.


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    Re: Ferguson police used flight restrictions to muzzle media, with feds' help

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post

    We have this little thing called the Free Press.
    Yes we do. However, when the interests of public safety come into play such rights are, justifiably, restricted in ways which are the least obstructive to those freedoms. In this case there was ample opportunity for the media to do their thing on the ground and the restriction on aerial operations was minimally obstructive.

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