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    Re: Ferguson police used flight restrictions to muzzle media, with feds' help

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    ""They finally admitted it really was to keep the media out," said one FAA manager about the St. Louis County Police in a series of recorded telephone conversations obtained by The Associated Press. "But they were a little concerned of, obviously, anything else that could be going on.

    At another point, a manager at the FAA's Kansas City center said police "did not care if you ran commercial traffic through this TFR (temporary flight restriction) all day long. They didn't want media in there."

    "There is really ... no option for a TFR that says, you know, 'OK, everybody but the media is OK,'" he said. The managers then worked out wording they felt would keep news helicopters out of the controlled zone but not impede other air traffic."
    Are you really going to play dumb this far into the discussion?
    Again, as previously stated.
    Yes, to keep the media aircraft out. It was dangerous.

    It being dangerous was the reason to keep them out. Not to muzzle as your article spins.

    And they continued to implement no-fly zones and will continue to do so if it unsafe.

    And commercial traffic is fine. It is not flying low or hovering above dangerous protestors with ill intent.
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    Re: Ferguson police used flight restrictions to muzzle media, with feds' help

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Are you really going to play dumb this far into the discussion?
    Again, as previously stated.
    Yes, to keep the media aircraft out. It was dangerous.
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    Really? Dangerous? Everyone else was allowed through except media... "At another point, a manager at the FAA's Kansas City center said police "did not care if you ran commercial traffic through this TFR (temporary flight restriction) all day long. They didn't want media in there."


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    Re: Ferguson police used flight restrictions to muzzle media, with feds' help

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Really? Dangerous? Everyone else was allowed through except media... "At another point, a manager at the FAA's Kansas City center said police "did not care if you ran commercial traffic through this TFR (temporary flight restriction) all day long. They didn't want media in there."
    1. Aircraft were being harassed via lasers from protesters.
    2. Air traffic was congested due to police traffic.
    3. The media was authorized in the area, but at a higher altitude (still well within camera range).
    4. Media were allowed on the ground, and were all over the place.

    5. Your position is based on a claim by one unnamed person.


    Could your position be any more full of ****? I know this has been explained to you. At this point, your claim is plainly pushing propaganda. You know the facts, you don't care, you insist on serving an anti-American narrative kept alive by RT and PressTV.
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    Re: Ferguson police used flight restrictions to muzzle media, with feds' help

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Really? Dangerous? Everyone else was allowed through except media... "At another point, a manager at the FAA's Kansas City center said police "did not care if you ran commercial traffic through this TFR (temporary flight restriction) all day long. They didn't want media in there."
    Way to not quote the relevant portion of what you replied to.

    And commercial traffic is fine. It is not flying low or hovering above dangerous protestors with ill intent.
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    Re: Ferguson police used flight restrictions to muzzle media, with feds' help

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    1. Aircraft were being harassed.
    No they werent. "But police officials confirmed there was no damage to their helicopter and were unable to provide an incident report on the shooting. On the tapes, an FAA manager described the helicopter shooting as unconfirmed "rumors."

    2. The media was authorized in the area, but at a higher altitude (still well within camera range).
    Info on that?

    3. Media were allowed on the ground, and were all over the place.
    And were abused and arrested...

    4. Your position is based on a claim by one unnamed person.
    More like multiple people, and a audio recording...


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    Re: Ferguson police used flight restrictions to muzzle media, with feds' help

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    More like multiple people, and a audio recording...
    No, one person (RT and PressTV do not count as others making the claim). The audio recording is of the person making the claim. It's not of the police saying such a thing. Your claim of an audio recording, knowing it is of the claimer and not the police, is clearly dishonest.

    No one is this ignorant of things they've read. You are intentionally pushing a BS narrative for your own agenda. It's so poorly founded as to illicit pity among those that are informed.


    Info on that?
    It's in an article that you previously cited. It has been pointed out to you before.
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    Re: Ferguson police used flight restrictions to muzzle media, with feds' help

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    No, one person (RT and PressTV do not count as others making the claim).
    They didnt make the claim. AP ran the original story. It was a FAA air traffic manager at St. Louis, a FAA manager at KC.


    No one is this ignorant of things they've read. You are intentionally pushing a BS narrative for your own agenda. It's so poorly founded as to illicit pity among those that are informed.


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    Re: Ferguson police used flight restrictions to muzzle media, with feds' help

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    It is what it is. People aren't as stupid as you believe. We can all see your BS.

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    Re: Ferguson police used flight restrictions to muzzle media, with feds' help

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    No they werent. "But police officials confirmed there was no damage to their helicopter and were unable to provide an incident report on the shooting. On the tapes, an FAA manager described the helicopter shooting as unconfirmed "rumors."
    Everything you have been saying is nonsense.
    Nor do you wait until shots are confirmed before you restrict airspace.

    That is your fault for not paying attention to the information you were given.
    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Commercial traffic is under the strict altitude and course control of the ATC. Media helicopters are not. That is why the media was kept out - and why they should be kept out.
    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post

    The AP also reports this.


    So?


    The folks here have been telling you why this no-fly zone was put in place yet you refuse to acknowledge it.
    Why?

    Yes they wanted to keep press helicopters out, not to restrict the Press, which is a claim disproved by the Press on the ground.



    It was a safety issue and nothing more.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Safety purposes is not direct or purposeful suppression of the press to report the ongoing incidences. It has been shown they were allowed above a certain altitude and it is known that they had more than unfettered access on the ground.
    That is the hard truth which you apparently can not accept.


    Here is another report from yesterday that others may be interested in.

    St. Louis County Police says intelligence reported both shots, lasers targeting helicopters in Ferguson, Mo., area - @rlippmann
    AirLive.net: ALERT St. Louis County Police says intelligence reported both shots, lasers targeting helicopters in Ferguson, Mo., area - @rlippmann


    So can the bs folks, the restrictions are there and were there for safety purposes.
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    Re: Ferguson police used flight restrictions to muzzle media, with feds' help

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It is what it is. People aren't as stupid as you believe. We can all see your BS.
    See the thing is it would be stupid if I was completely making this up, howerever there are direct quotes and a audio recording to back up the claims.


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