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    Re: Brittany Maynard, 29-year-old right-to-die advocate with brain cancer, ends her l

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Physician assisted suicide? Kind of goes against the Physician's Oath

    The Declaration of Geneva, as currently published by the WMA [6] reads:
    At the time of being admitted as a member of the medical profession:
    I solemnly pledge to consecrate my life to the service of humanity;
    I will give to my teachers the respect and gratitude that is their due;
    I will practice my profession with conscience and dignity;
    The health of my patient will be my first consideration;
    I will respect the secrets that are confided in me, even after the patient has died;
    I will maintain by all the means in my power, the honour and the noble traditions of the medical profession;
    My colleagues will be my sisters and brothers;
    I will not permit considerations of age, disease or disability, creed, ethnic origin, gender, nationality, political affiliation, race, sexual orientation, social standing or any other factor to intervene between my duty and my patient;
    I will maintain the utmost respect for human life;
    I will not use my medical knowledge to violate human rights and civil liberties, even under threat;
    I make these promises solemnly, freely and upon my honour.
    Hmm - after reading the Oath I don't see how it conflicts at all.

    Apparently some people just don't see choosing when you die - natural outcome of a terminal disease VS personal choice to forgo that particular end - as a right or a means of maintaining good mental health or dignity.

    Suffering is the only thing that's healthy?
    Suffering is the only form of dignity?

    What about other people wanting someone to suffer and agonize to the end? Where's the dignity in craving that?

    If it's legal for doctors to devise medicines and means of killing convicted murderers, commit abortions, then I don't see how assisting someone who's life is coming to an end with a means of having a more dignified and less horrific end is all that bad.
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    Re: Brittany Maynard, 29-year-old right-to-die advocate with brain cancer, ends her l

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Physician assisted suicide? Kind of goes against the Physician's Oath

    The Declaration of Geneva, as currently published by the WMA [6] reads:
    At the time of being admitted as a member of the medical profession:
    I solemnly pledge to consecrate my life to the service of humanity;
    I will give to my teachers the respect and gratitude that is their due;
    I will practice my profession with conscience and dignity;
    The health of my patient will be my first consideration;
    I will respect the secrets that are confided in me, even after the patient has died;
    I will maintain by all the means in my power, the honour and the noble traditions of the medical profession;
    My colleagues will be my sisters and brothers;
    I will not permit considerations of age, disease or disability, creed, ethnic origin, gender, nationality, political affiliation, race, sexual orientation, social standing or any other factor to intervene between my duty and my patient;
    I will maintain the utmost respect for human life;
    I will not use my medical knowledge to violate human rights and civil liberties, even under threat;
    I make these promises solemnly, freely and upon my honour.
    If it becomes a 'human right' for a sane, adult patient to end their own life whenever they see fit (as I think it should), then a doctor would be going against their oath if they did not assist in a sane adult's suicide.

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    Re: Brittany Maynard, 29-year-old right-to-die advocate with brain cancer, ends her l

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    What kinds of things would you exclude from "everything possible". That happens to be a very scary term to me.
    rereading that it is very poorly worded. The resources to help a person who is suicidal work through their problems (without the financial burden that is currently associated with it), voluntarily is what I meant.
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    Re: Brittany Maynard, 29-year-old right-to-die advocate with brain cancer, ends her l

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Be specific.

    Buying yourself a lethal medication and consuming it yourself is not aggression because you cannot aggress against yourself.

    A healthcare professional administering such a medication is deliberately and aggressively killing you, in violation of your human rights.
    A healthcare professional helping a person who is going to otherwise kill themselves is not a bad thing. A healthcare profesional in a controlled environment is a much better option than doing it at home alone. The person is less likely to suffer, the problem of the mess their suicide could make, would make it so loved ones wouldn't come home to find the body, eliminate police involvement, and probably some other reasons.
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    Re: Brittany Maynard, 29-year-old right-to-die advocate with brain cancer, ends her l

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    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Physician assisted suicide? Kind of goes against the Physician's Oath

    The Declaration of Geneva, as currently published by the WMA [6] reads:
    At the time of being admitted as a member of the medical profession:
    I solemnly pledge to consecrate my life to the service of humanity;
    I will give to my teachers the respect and gratitude that is their due;
    I will practice my profession with conscience and dignity;
    The health of my patient will be my first consideration;
    I will respect the secrets that are confided in me, even after the patient has died;
    I will maintain by all the means in my power, the honour and the noble traditions of the medical profession;
    My colleagues will be my sisters and brothers;
    I will not permit considerations of age, disease or disability, creed, ethnic origin, gender, nationality, political affiliation, race, sexual orientation, social standing or any other factor to intervene between my duty and my patient;
    I will maintain the utmost respect for human life;
    I will not use my medical knowledge to violate human rights and civil liberties, even under threat;
    I make these promises solemnly, freely and upon my honour.
    Btw, this oath means little to me.

    I have travelled extensively and lived in many places and have known/used MANY doctors.

    If more then 10% of them had not - on numerous occasions - violated the above oath I would be shocked.
    Not because most of them were bad doctors (they weren't, IMO). But because they were human.

    Big oath's look great on paper and they work great in a black and white world. Unfortunately, the world is gray.
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    Re: Brittany Maynard, 29-year-old right-to-die advocate with brain cancer, ends her l

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    A healthcare professional helping a person who is going to otherwise kill themselves is not a bad thing. A healthcare profesional in a controlled environment is a much better option than doing it at home alone. The person is less likely to suffer, the problem of the mess their suicide could make, would make it so loved ones wouldn't come home to find the body, eliminate police involvement, and probably some other reasons.
    Agreed.

    My current GP told me (when he worked in Emergency) of a guy who came in with a shotgun wound to his shoulder. The poor guy had tried to kill himself but messed up and now that arm was permanently useless...which just adds to the guy's suffering.

    No one knows how to end a life better, quicker and less painfully then a doctor.

    If a sane adult wants to commit suicide, their doctor will undoubtedly be reducing that person's suffering by assisting in their suicide.

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    Re: Brittany Maynard, 29-year-old right-to-die advocate with brain cancer, ends her l

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    A bullet or noose would likely have been cheaper. If sane adults cannot get heroin then why should they be able to get other lethal drug cocktails?
    What a dick ass ignorant statement.
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    Re: Brittany Maynard, 29-year-old right-to-die advocate with brain cancer, ends her l

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    rereading that it is very poorly worded. The resources to help a person who is suicidal work through their problems (without the financial burden that is currently associated with it), voluntarily is what I meant.
    No problem.

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    Re: Brittany Maynard, 29-year-old right-to-die advocate with brain cancer, ends her l

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    A healthcare professional helping a person who is going to otherwise kill themselves is not a bad thing.
    Yes, murder is "a bad thing."

    Actually, "a bad thing" is understating it far too much.

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    Re: Brittany Maynard, 29-year-old right-to-die advocate with brain cancer, ends her l

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Yes, murder is "a bad thing."

    Actually, "a bad thing" is understating it far too much.
    Yes, murder is a bad thing. But that isnt really relevant because I wouldn't consider that murder.
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