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    Re: How you react to this photo reveals your political beliefs

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Perhaps relying on a "study" of 83 people to come to a definitive conclusion that "conservatives focus more on the negative" is why many conservatives, myself included, are very skeptical of junk "science".
    I don't have an issue with the study or the results, I just don't trust their ability to render conclusions based upon those results. That's where science stops and opinion starts, and as we all know ones personal biases can have a very substantial effect on opinion, whether the person happens to be a scientist, a ditch digger, or anything else.
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    Re: How you react to this photo reveals your political beliefs

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    First reaction, squash the thing.
    Really?

    My first reaction is to swipe it away, especially if it is that close, or take it outside.

    I would think a liberals first reaction would be to ask somebody else to do it for them.

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    Re: How you react to this photo reveals your political beliefs

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Perhaps relying on a "study" of 83 people to come to a definitive conclusion that "conservatives focus more on the negative" is why many conservatives, myself included, are very skeptical of junk "science".

    Just from a personal perspective, I don't find any pictures of nature to be "disgusting" - the odder nature is, the more fascinating I find it even if often it scares the hell out of me. The insect in the pic didn't disgust me at all in its depiction - it seems beautiful and fascinating and yet if it was crawling on my face when I woke from sleep I might find it totally disgusting.
    true, I used to collect snakes and keep several as pets. I doubt I'd find a picture of a snake a subject of revulsion. Having a timber rattle snake in my bed at night would scare the living crap out of just about anyone-no matter their politics



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    Re: How you react to this photo reveals your political beliefs

    My first thought?

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    Re: How you react to this photo reveals your political beliefs

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Quite simple - any "research" that claims a broad hypothesis based on a sample size of 83 subjects is "junk science". The fact that this is paraded by the OP and the authors as definitive of anything is a joke.
    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    I don't have an issue with the study or the results, I just don't trust their ability to render conclusions based upon those results. That's where science stops and opinion starts, and as we all know ones personal biases can have a very substantial effect on opinion, whether the person happens to be a scientist, a ditch digger, or anything else.
    This study has been done many, many times over.

    Disgust Sensitivity, Political Conservatism, and Voting - 2012
    A Bad Taste in the Mouth Gustatory Disgust Influences Moral Judgment - 2011
    Disgust: A predictor of social conservatism - 2011
    Disgust Sensitivity and the Neurophysiology of Left-Right Political Orientations - 2011
    Conservatives are more easily disgusted than liberals - 2009
    The Ick Factor: Physiological Sensitivity to Disgust as a Predictor of Political Attitudes - 2008

    One of those linked to above sampled 31,000 people and still found a positive correlation between how easily a person feels disgust and political conservatism.

    Honestly, it makes all the sense in the world too.
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    Re: How you react to this photo reveals your political beliefs

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    This study has been done many, many times over.

    Disgust Sensitivity, Political Conservatism, and Voting - 2012
    A Bad Taste in the Mouth Gustatory Disgust Influences Moral Judgment - 2011
    Disgust: A predictor of social conservatism - 2011
    Disgust Sensitivity and the Neurophysiology of Left-Right Political Orientations - 2011
    Conservatives are more easily disgusted than liberals - 2009
    The Ick Factor: Physiological Sensitivity to Disgust as a Predictor of Political Attitudes - 2008

    One of those linked to above sampled 31,000 people and still found a positive correlation between how easily a person feels disgust and political conservatism.

    Honestly, it makes all the sense in the world too.
    Are you kiding? The first 11 words in my post were, and I quote "I don't have an issue with the study or the results".

    So why exactly did you feel it nessisary to act as if I disputed the report?

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    Re: How you react to this photo reveals your political beliefs

    What does it mean if I just went "What the ****" (in a confused sense) and then shrugged?

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    Re: How you react to this photo reveals your political beliefs

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Quite simple - any "research" that claims a broad hypothesis based on a sample size of 83 subjects is "junk science". The fact that this is paraded by the OP and the authors as definitive of anything is a joke.
    Well, now we're getting somewhere. Even if your statement is deeply flawed. For one, small sample sizes are used everyday in every scientific field. Hell, the testing of vaccines is done on small sample sizes first and so is Phase II. Does that make vaccine research junk science? According to you, yes. Hell, according to you, it's junk science from the beginning because small samples of people are used. Better stop getting vaccinated people!

    Let's look at another field though shall we? What about research that goes into animal populations? Well, if you're studying cows and sheep, you're fine. If you're studying pandas, tigers, and some bears there really isn't a large to go around and yet we know the gestation periods of each one, how they breed and even behavior. According to you though, it's all junk science because the sample size isn't large enough for your liking.

    What about geology? Well, if your claim that small sample sizes made studies junk science, then we'd be pretty screwed for studies on the moon. Yet, we know more about the moon than we know about what's in the ocean because of the small samples brought back 40 years ago. However, according to you it's all junk science because the samples weren't large enough for your subjective standard of what is and isn't junk science.

    What about QA? Is research into that junk science? Well according to you it is. Do you realize that you use a myriad of appliances where out of hundreds of thousands which may be sold, only 1 or 2 are tested per 10 thousand? Do you distrust the sticker which says your microwave is safe? Because it's more than likely that only a 100 out of 100,000 were tested for any significant amount of time before the product hit the market. Again, small sample size which determines the overwhelming majority of the products to be safe and you have no problem trusting it. Kind of strange, no?

    As for the second part of your statement. The part about this being "definitive". Did you actually read the results? Did you read the news article? Because neither states that the study is "definitive of anything". The researchers made an effort to avoid the word definitive. However, it did state that their results could be replicated time and time again. Now here are their assertions for what the results do suggest:

    These results provide strong support for the idea that fundamental neural processing differences that emerge under the challenge of emotionally evocative stimuli may serve to structure political beliefs in ways formerly unappreciated.
    In other words, the study suggest that how your brain reacts to the world is related to your political beliefs. No kidding. This literally is no different than saying that life experiences affect whether a person becomes liberal or conservative. What? Did you think that was just an axiom related to the physical world and unrelated to how your brain works? Well... apparently... not because other researchers have been piecing the puzzle to this for... well decades:

    Study Predicts Political Beliefs With 83 Percent Accuracy | Science | Smithsonian

    The study matched publicly available party registration records with the names of 82 American participants whose risk-taking behavior during a gambling experiment was monitored by brain scans. The researchers found that liberals and conservatives don’t differ in the risks they do or don’t take, but their brain activity does vary while they’re making decisions.
    Unconscious Reactions Separate Liberals and Conservatives - Scientific American

    For example, in a study published in January, a team led by psychologist Michael Dodd and political scientist John Hibbing of the University of Nebraska–Lincoln found that when viewing a collage of photographs, conservatives' eyes unconsciously lingered 15 percent longer on repellent images, such as car wrecks and excrement—suggesting that conservatives are more attuned than liberals to assessing potential threats.
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    The authors concluded that, "Although our data do not determine whether these regions play a causal role in the formation of political attitudes, they converge with previous work to suggest a possible link between brain structure and psychological mechanisms that mediate political attitudes."[5]
    So in short, this study - your junk science - confirmed 1) what has been found in previous studies (that political attitudes and brain activity are related) and 2) conservatives and liberals think different in regards to certain issues. If your biggest complaint about it is that the sample size isn't to your liking, I'm sure from now on you'll stop trusting science for things like vaccines and electrical appliances. Wait....

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    Good evening Lady P - I wish you a mentally and physically healthy evening and long lifetime too. Like avoiding trips to Africa without the proper vaccinations, be sure any trip you're planning to DC is equally well prepared.
    Vaccines: Resdev/Vaccine Testing and Approval Process

    Clinical development is a three-phase process. During Phase I, small groups of people receive the trial vaccine. In Phase II, the clinical study is expanded and vaccine is given to people who have characteristics (such as age and physical health) similar to those for whom the new vaccine is intended. In Phase III, the vaccine is given to thousands of people and tested for efficacy and safety.
    https://www.iavi.org/what-we-do/scie...ne-r-d-process

    Phase I clinical trials are typically done with small groups, or cohorts, of volunteers, and principally test whether a candidate is safe for use in humans and produces an immune response
    Again, better take out phase I and phase II of vaccine research because CanadaJohn thinks that small sample size makes a study junk science.
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    Re: How you react to this photo reveals your political beliefs

    They should do this study on the "disgust" reaction using photos of an AR-15, a Christian praying, a heterosexual couple holding hands or a newborn baby that didn't get aborted and watch the disgust part of the brain light up for liberals. Liberals are just repelled and disgusted by different things than conservatives.
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    Re: How you react to this photo reveals your political beliefs

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Are you kiding? The first 11 words in my post were, and I quote "I don't have an issue with the study or the results".

    So why exactly did you feel it nessisary to act as if I disputed the report?
    Commenting on CanadaJohn and linking you to more studies on the subject.
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