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Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans[W:466]

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How is is relevant if it doesn't? There are more than one type of voter fraud...voter ID won't solve them all.

Over 700,000 Americans were cheated out of their rightful representative in Congress for most of three terms because of election fraud. Now compare that to the penny ante piddly stuff we have seen put forth in this thread. And these proposals here do not do a damn thing about it. If you cannot see that as relevant - then I have no use for your opinion.
 
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Do you seriously believe this is all about you?

Do you seriously not understand the point of my post?

The point was to show that there are protections in place that involve the voter being ID'd.
 
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Was this link posted earlier?

It has been posted here for a couple years now.
 
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Over 700,000 Americans were cheated out of their rightful representative in Congress for most of three terms because of election fraud. Now compare that to the penny ante piddly stuff we have seen put forth in this thread. And these proposals here do not do a damn thing about it. If you cannot see that as relevant - then I have no use for your opinion.

That's like saying blue sucks because red is red. There are multiple frauds being committed, there will need to be multiple approaches to guard against it. If you can't see that, well....you know the rest.
 
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Its a really big country with over 100 millon people casting votes in thens of thousands of communities. If there were not a few irregularities I would be shocked. And that is what the reports are - anecdotal information of small time stuff like the woman in Ohio who pled guilty. Now compare that to 100 million voters and tell me about the big problem of voter election fraud. Those few anecdotal stories do not constitute anything near that.

How would you even know since from an article I posted said they don't report the majority of cases for prosecution?
 
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your reply does not speak to my question: How does voter ID speak to what McCotter did with taking old petitions from years past and xeroxing the sigs on new petitions?

Do you mean an aid to McCotter who pleaded no contest to charges of forgery in the matter of the signatures? Seems the system did what is was supposed to do, and routed out the fraud. :peace
 
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That's like saying blue sucks because red is red. There are multiple frauds being committed, there will need to be multiple approaches to guard against it. If you can't see that, well....you know the rest.

Where do you get the idea that I do not want the system to be protected against voter fraud?
 
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Do you mean an aid to McCotter who pleaded no contest to charges of forgery in the matter of the signatures? Seems the system did what is was supposed to do, and routed out the fraud. :peace

Got news for you Ocean - and I know this from personal experience of several years in politics - McCotter is responsible for petitions turned in under his name. And for one second you want to delude yourself into believing that he was some pure as the white snow virgin who knew nothing about this - I would love to sell you a great bridge I own at a very good price.

For the better part of three terms over 700,000 people in his Michigan district including myself had a phony representing them who never should have even been on the ballot. Over 700,000 people were cheated by election fraud. Now compare that to the penny ante incidents we have read about in this thread.
 
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Where do you get the idea that I do not want the system to be protected against voter fraud?

What voter fraud are you talking about?
 
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Got news for you Ocean - and I know this from personal experience of several years in politics - McCotter is responsible for petitions turned in under his name. And for one second you want to delude yourself into believing that he was some pure as the white snow virgin who knew nothing about this - I would love to sell you a great bridge I own at a very good price.

LOL

I was just going by the facts. Your personal opinion is interesting though.
 
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Was it posted earlier on this thread??

I have no idea. Why would that be important as it has been part of these discussions here for years now.
 
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LOL

I was just going by the facts. Your personal opinion is interesting though.

So was I.
 
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So was I.

Really? You know I checked, and I didn't see anything that suggests your comments are anything but your opinion. I did see where his staff guy pleaded no contest to charges stemming from the petition submissions. Perhaps you can post your facts.
 
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Really? You know I checked, and I didn't see anything that suggests your comments are anything but your opinion. I did see where his staff guy pleaded no contest to charges stemming from the petition submissions. Perhaps you can post your facts.

What facts are you disputing?

Do you dispute the fact that McCotter was fraudulently placed on the ballot for at least three election cycles?
Do you dispute the fact that McCotter should have have been in Congress representing that Michigan district?
Do you dispute the fact that fraud and criminality were used to put him on the ballot?
Do you dispute the fact that over 700,000 people in Michigan were cheated out of a legitimate representative for the better part of three terms?

Are you disputing these facts because none of them involve my opinion.
 
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I have no idea. Why would that be important as it has been part of these discussions here for years now.

So it was a link from somewhere in the past, unmentioned in this thread, yet you asked me if I was referring to it. That sort of thickness has to be deliberate.
 
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What facts are you disputing?

Do you dispute the fact that McCotter was fraudulently placed on the ballot for at least three election cycles?
Do you dispute the fact that McCotter should have have been in Congress representing that Michigan district?
Do you dispute the fact that fraud and criminality were used to put him on the ballot?
Do you dispute the fact that over 700,000 people in Michigan were cheated out of a legitimate representative for the better part of three terms?

Are you disputing these facts because none of them involve my opinion.

So voter fraud does exist???
 
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So it was a link from somewhere in the past, unmentioned in this thread, yet you asked me if I was referring to it. That sort of thickness has to be deliberate.

You do understand what a question mark at the end of a sentence means don't you. I asked because I joined the discussion late and was not going to review sixty-somep ages of posts to see if that was the study being referred to. I hoped it was as it is the definitive study on the subject.

And that is why I asked complete with question mark.

The "thickness" seems to be on your part in not understanding the question.
 
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So voter fraud does exist???

The fraud in the McCotter case involved McCotter and his office staff. Why you would ask that question after reproducing my information about the McCotter case is a mystery.
 
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The fraud in the McCotter case involved McCotter and his office staff. Why you would ask that question after reproducing my information about the McCotter case is a mystery.
Believe it or not but there are those dimbulbs who claim voter fraud is a myth.
 
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Believe it or not but there are those dimbulbs who claim voter fraud is a myth.

I have never come across one person who denies that there may be a case of voter fraud. Can you present this DIMBULB and their views and tell us why it is significant?

For me the question has always been one of does the size of the alleged problem warrant the proposed solution knowing the possible negative uses of the solution.
 
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I have never come across one person who denies that there may be a case of voter fraud.
That there MAY be a case of voter fraud? If we want to get into maybes then the list can be quite long. Life after death? Life on other planets? Intelligent leftists? Maybe! But who really knows?



Can you present this DIMBULB and their views and tell us why it is significant?
I'm referring to those people you seem to surround yourself with who claim that voter fraud is insignificant.

For me the question has always been one of does the size of the alleged problem warrant the proposed solution knowing the possible negative uses of the solution.
Why not list the positives of voter fraud so we can better understand your argument?
 
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That there MAY be a case of voter fraud? If we want to get into maybes then the list can be quite long. Life after death? Life on other planets? Intelligent leftists? Maybe! But who really knows?



I'm referring to those people you seem to surround yourself with who claim that voter fraud is insignificant.

Why not list the positives of voter fraud so we can better understand your argument?

Are you going out of your way to be intentionally insulting? I ask because that is how you are coming off.

Asking me to list the positives of voter fraud so you can understand my argument is both an insult to me as well as a deliberate complete and total fabrication of my position.

Why would you engage in such a thing?
 
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Where do you get the idea that I do not want the system to be protected against voter fraud?

I didn't say you didn't. But citing one type of fraud as an attack on the measures to negate another is nonsense.
 
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I didn't say you didn't. But citing one type of fraud as an attack on the measures to negate another is nonsense.

The question here is simple: is election fraud a problem that is on a level to warrant the solutions proposed knowing the potential risks of those solutions and the already announced intention to use it for partisan purposes. I have seen no verifiable evidence that it is a problem on such a level to warrant that risk.
 
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