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Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans[W:466]

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14th Amendment:



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Still nothing gauranteeing the right to vote. Show us the amendment that gaurantees that voting is a right.
 
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What on earth is your point?

Does every goddamn thread around here have to turn into a ****ing gun wank?

Until the anti-gunners totally abandon gun control...yes.
 
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Yes, that's correct.

If he's correct, then The Constitution doesn't gaurantee the right to vote.
 
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Until the anti-gunners totally abandon gun control...yes.

The congratulations, you are admitting that you don't care about going completely off-topic.
 
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Still nothing gauranteeing the right to vote. Show us the amendment that gaurantees that voting is a right.

Those amendments establish the criteria by which voting cannot be obstructed. Sure looks like a right to me.
 
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If he's correct, then The Constitution doesn't gaurantee the right to vote.

Even if you're correct in your premise, and I'm certainly not saying you are ... so what? If it's not in the Constitution specifically, then it Doesn't Count?
 
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If he's correct, then The Constitution doesn't gaurantee the right to vote.

The second word of the 24th amendment is "right."

The fourth is "citizens."
 
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The second word of the 24th amendment is "right."

The fourth is "citizens."

The right to vote wasn't gauranteed, until 1964?
 
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Even if you're correct in your premise, and I'm certainly not saying you are ... so what? If it's not in the Constitution specifically, then it Doesn't Count?

No, I'm only pointing out that there's no constitutional gaurantee of the right to vote. You et.al talk as if there is. My main point being, there's no way that a voter ID law can be un-constitutional, becauae nothing in The Constitution forbids states from requiring a voter to properly identify himself.
 
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The right to vote wasn't gauranteed, until 1964?

Actually, the second and fourth words of the 15th amendment are "right" and "citizens," which pushes that back to 1870.

No, I'm only pointing out that there's no constitutional gaurantee of the right to vote. You et.al talk as if there is. My main point being, there's no way that a voter ID law can be un-constitutional, becauae nothing in The Constitution forbids states from requiring a voter to properly identify himself.

You've already been proven wrong.

And yes, a voter ID law CAN be unconstitutional if it violates the 24th.
 
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Actually, the second and fourth words of the 15th amendment are "right" and "citizens," which pushes that back to 1870.



You've already been proven wrong.

And yes, a voter ID law CAN be unconstitutional if it violates the 24th.

The 15th Amendment also says, "race, color, or previous condition of servitude".

Again, as I'm proving, there is no amendment gauranteeing the right to vote.
 
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You asked what GOP objectives were involved in suppressing wages, I answered the destruction of union influence...and you spin this to racism.
If you notice....there was nothing related to race in the original quote:






Uh-huh.

Nice try.......however not giving in to the labor unions is not suppressing wages. Collective bargaining does not translate to giving labor unions a blank check.
 
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The ID laws make it far more difficult for poor people to vote. Black people in the U.S. are disproportionately poor.

Please, continue. You are making all of my arguments for me.

That is 100% baloney. Nothing about being poor or black inhibits anyone from obtaining a valid photo ID.
 
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If you guys could actually approach the subject with a shred of intellectual honesty, you'd know that's not what anyone is arguing. In fact, nobody is arguing against the concept of voter ID ... however, when said ID is expensive (many states have not made provisions for free ID, which it should be if you need it to vote) and more difficult to obtain for poor people, it becomes a de facto poll tax.

Baloney. I see the poor spending the cost of ID all the time on beer and tobacco products. Strangely I have also seen them showing a valid drivers license or state ID card to do so.
 
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Jesus ****ing Christ on a Cracker, do you read? I JUST SAID I'm not against people showing an ID to vote, as long as the ID is reasonably obtainable, which for many otherwise legal voters, it's not. And the argument that "well, everyone should have an ID" holds no water. It doesn't matter. Voting is a right, period, and if the requirement to exercise that right becomes a serious impediment, then that needs to be taken into consideration before making it a requirement.

God forbid we have one thread where you don't try to make everything about your precious guns.





No more than it's a "gun tax" to "force" people to go to a gun dealer to buy a gun.

People can vote by mail.

Voting is a right as long as you can prove who you are. And btw...some states are now requiring a valid ID to vote by mail.
 
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I don't give two shiny turds if you want them voting or not. If there is no legal reason they shouldn't be allowed to vote, then they have that right.

You don't want them voting because they don't vote for Republicans. And you wonder why people claim that certain voter ID laws are a means to keep Democratic constituencies (read: poor and largely minority) away from the polls. Thank you, you just made my argument for me better than I ever could. Keep up the good work.

You are making it up as you go along. I don't care who they vote for as long as they are legally entitled to vote. And anyone who is legally entitled to vote should be proud to show a valid ID.
 
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You are making it up as you go along. I don't care who they vote for as long as they are legally entitled to vote. And anyone who is legally entitled to vote should be proud to show a valid ID.

Thank you for ignoring the entire conversation.
 
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The accepted forms of ID, at first glance (I really don't have time to dig into it now), seem reasonable.

Drivers license or state ID....or military ID.
 
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Did you actually open the link? Yes or no question.

I did. Nothing in the article shows actual disenfranchisement.
 
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14th Amendment:



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Voter ID laws strengthen those rights of "US CITIZENS" to vote once in each election
 
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Of course you do, yet many such people exist. This is incontrovertible fact.

And those who are off the grid are there by their own choosing. If they want to vote...they should obtain a valid ID.
 
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Yes, that's correct.

So, since only citizens are allowed to vote as expressly stated in the applicable amendments, doesn't it follow that it is the duty of the government to enforce the constitution in regards to them?
 
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