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Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans[W:466]

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TurtleDude said:
similarly situated white or Asians
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Ah yes....blacks are historically "similarly situated".

Everybody knows that!

That was Landrieu's point EXACTLY!!!
 
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ObamacareFail said:
I partially agree with that. I think republicans should court voters in the inner cities and other poor areas, town hall meetings, etc.....I just do not agree with hyphenating Americans by race. I believe in Martin Luther King's "I have a dream speech." I do not believe in pandering to any specific groups.
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I don't think its pandering though. Its not like you are going in there with handouts. You are going in these neighborhoods to introduce a political philosophy first hand. You are showing an interest in a group that feels alienated from the GOP. Besides, its smart political strategy. If republicans could just get 25% of the black vote, they would never lose control of the House and would be competitive nationally in states they don't now even bother with. Without blacks, liberalism is finished. And they know it.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Ah yes....blacks are historically "similarly situated".

Everybody knows that!
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affirmative action is based on race not economic situation

so when I was in college I saw black kids whose parents were wealthy and who had attended say Exeter get into top law schools with Obama level (below 3.3) GPAs while white kids from less wealthy families who went to public schools were denied entrance to say Harvard law despite having higher GPAS and much higher LSAT scores

when I was applying to law school (fall of 1980) Harvard for example gave blacks (rich or poor) 130 Points on their LSAT and .5 points on their GPA

so a white or Asian guy with a 3.7 at Yale college and a 750 LSAT score (which gave the applicant a decent shot at Harvard) would be ranked behind a black from Yale college with a 3.3 GPA and a 640 SAT score (numbers which would leave a white man less than a 1/100 chance of getting into Harvard Law)
 
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ObamacareFail said:
You have just admitted in your own way the you feel that African Americans are helpless when it comes obtaining a drivers license or state ID card. Labeling Voter ID bills as an attempt to suppress the black vote is patently racist. And Obama is a food stamp president. He has undone the Welfare reform that was enacted under former president Bill Clinton. There are now roughly 45 million Americans on government assistance. And again your suggesting that calling Obama a food stamp president amounts to racism shows your lack of respect for African Americans. As for courting birthers.......that movement started in the Hillary Clinton camp.
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The ID laws make it far more difficult for poor people to vote. Black people in the U.S. are disproportionately poor.

Please, continue. You are making all of my arguments for me.
 
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TurtleDude said:
affirmative action is based on race not economic situation
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Absolutely false, the lack of opportunity and access is at root a matter of economics.

You don't have the slightest understanding of the basis of AA.

Further, you would be advised to get back to the topic.
 
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Fletch said:
Not sure why having an ID is not onerous when it comes to exercising your 2nd Amendment rights but way too onerous when it comes to casting a vote. I guess liberals are OK with suppressing the rights of blacks to buy guns with their onerous gun laws.
Racists
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If you guys could actually approach the subject with a shred of intellectual honesty, you'd know that's not what anyone is arguing. In fact, nobody is arguing against the concept of voter ID ... however, when said ID is expensive (many states have not made provisions for free ID, which it should be if you need it to vote) and more difficult to obtain for poor people, it becomes a de facto poll tax.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Absolutely false, the lack of opportunity and access is at root a matter of economics.

You don't have the slightest understanding of the basis of AA.

Further, you would be advised to get back to the topic.
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really? what evidence do you have? I was D I varsity coach at an IVY-I had to deal with the admissions office

and your comments about "ivy" is hardly on topic

the fact is-for years, blacks have voted for Dems and the Dems have done almost nothing for blacks. Dems take the blacks fro granted
 
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Kobie said:
If you guys could actually approach the subject with a shred of intellectual honesty, you'd know that's not what anyone is arguing. In fact, nobody is arguing against the concept of voter ID ... however, when said ID is expensive (many states have not made provisions for free ID, which it should be if you need it to vote) and more difficult to obtain for poor people, it becomes a de facto poll tax.
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so are you against people having to show an ID to buy a firearm too?

is it a poll tax to force people to get themselves to the poll. Its a hour walk from where I live meaning I need car And no, there is no bus service to speak of
 
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TurtleDude said:
so are you against people having to show an ID to buy a firearm too?
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Jesus ****ing Christ on a Cracker, do you read? I JUST SAID I'm not against people showing an ID to vote, as long as the ID is reasonably obtainable, which for many otherwise legal voters, it's not. And the argument that "well, everyone should have an ID" holds no water. It doesn't matter. Voting is a right, period, and if the requirement to exercise that right becomes a serious impediment, then that needs to be taken into consideration before making it a requirement.

God forbid we have one thread where you don't try to make everything about your precious guns.

TurtleDude said:
is it a poll tax to force people to get themselves to the poll. Its a hour walk from where I live meaning I need car And no, there is no bus service to speak of
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No more than it's a "gun tax" to "force" people to go to a gun dealer to buy a gun.

People can vote by mail.
 
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Kobie said:
Jesus ****ing Christ on a Cracker, do you read? I JUST SAID I'm not against people showing an ID to vote, as long as the ID is reasonably obtainable, which for many otherwise legal voters, it's not. And the argument that "well, everyone should have an ID" holds no water. It doesn't matter. Voting is a right, period, and if the requirement to exercise that right becomes a serious impediment, then that needs to be taken into consideration before making it a requirement.

But you have to make everything about your precious ****ing guns.



No more than it's a "gun tax" to "force" people to go to a gun dealer to buy a gun.

People can vote by mail.
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I agree it should be free but honestly, I don't care: anyone who doesn't have an ID is probably someone I don't really want voting
 
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TurtleDude said:
I agree it should be free but honestly, I don't care: anyone who doesn't have an ID is probably someone I don't really want voting
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I don't give two shiny turds if you want them voting or not. If there is no legal reason they shouldn't be allowed to vote, then they have that right.

You don't want them voting because they don't vote for Republicans. And you wonder why people claim that certain voter ID laws are a means to keep Democratic constituencies (read: poor and largely minority) away from the polls. Thank you, you just made my argument for me better than I ever could. Keep up the good work.
 
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Kobie said:
I don't give two shiny turds if you want them voting or not. If there is no legal reason they shouldn't be allowed to vote, then they have that right.

You don't want them voting because they don't vote for Republicans. And you wonder why people claim that certain voter ID laws are a means to keep Democratic constituencies (read: poor and largely minority) away from the polls. Thank you, you just made my argument for me better than I ever could. Keep up the good work.
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If I ran things only net taxpayers could vote in federal elections.
 
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Kobie said:
If you guys could actually approach the subject with a shred of intellectual honesty, you'd know that's not what anyone is arguing. In fact, nobody is arguing against the concept of voter ID ... however, when said ID is expensive (many states have not made provisions for free ID, which it should be if you need it to vote) and more difficult to obtain for poor people, it becomes a de facto poll tax.
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If photo IDs are required to vote then the state should issue them free of charge if necessary to those that don't have one. There is no reason to oppose that.
 
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TurtleDude said:
If I ran things only net taxpayers could vote in federal elections.
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Well, you don't. But your disdain for those who aren't upper crust is well established.
 
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Fletch said:
If photo IDs are required to vote then the state should issue them free of charge if necessary to those that don't have one. There is no reason to oppose that.
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They absolutely should. That's been my position on voter ID from day one.
 
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Kobie said:
Well, you don't. But your disdain for those who aren't upper crust is well established.
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upper crust has nothing to do with it. there are plenty of rich hillbillies: ever been to a NASCAR race?

People who don't pay taxes shouldn't be voting up the rates of those of us who do.

those who don't put anything in the pot shouldn't have an equal say on how its divided with contributors
 
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TurtleDude said:
If I ran things only net taxpayers could vote in federal elections.
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If I ran things it would be impossible for one group to vote to loot another mans pocket. If the state lacked the power to violate the rights of the individual, it wouldn't matter to me who voted. Or how many times :)
 
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Kobie said:
They absolutely should. That's been my position on voter ID from day one.
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Is that twice in one day we agree???? One of us isn't feeling well lol
 
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TurtleDude said:
upper crust has nothing to do with it. there are plenty of rich hillbillies: ever been to a NASCAR race?

People who don't pay taxes shouldn't be voting up the rates of those of us who do.

those who don't put anything in the pot shouldn't have an equal say on how its divided with contributors
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But that's the dilemma for the wealthy when so few have so much. They're always at the mercy of the majority. Since fewer than half pay *any* federal taxes, the majority is usually content with that part of the equation, but they always see roads, bridges and schools crumbling around them. Do you the expect the majority to willingly start paying fed taxes, or force the rich to pay more?

In my state the repubs keep calling for higher sales tax, but that strikes me as a hopelessly outdated method.
 
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Kobie said:
Jesus ****ing Christ on a Cracker, do you read? I JUST SAID I'm not against people showing an ID to vote, as long as the ID is reasonably obtainable, which for many otherwise legal voters, it's not. And the argument that "well, everyone should have an ID" holds no water. It doesn't matter. Voting is a right, period, and if the requirement to exercise that right becomes a serious impediment, then that needs to be taken into consideration before making it a requirement.

God forbid we have one thread where you don't try to make everything about your precious guns.
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Well, owning a firearm is a right, too. Not too many people mind that right being somewhat...regulated....why should the right to vote be any different?

People can vote by mail.
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Repeatedly.
 
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Kobie said:
They absolutely should. That's been my position on voter ID from day one.
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So, you're in favor of the NC voter ID law?
 
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mac said:
Well, owning a firearm is a right, too. Not too many people mind that right being somewhat...regulated....why should the right to vote be any different?
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The right to vote is already "somewhat regulated."
 
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mac said:
So, you're in favor of the NC voter ID law?
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The accepted forms of ID, at first glance (I really don't have time to dig into it now), seem reasonable.
 
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