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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Somedays, I really wish people would check their sources before they started citing nutty revisionist websites:

    Michel Chossudovsky - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Even if that is an iffy website does that mean there was no White slavery, or that there isn't more recent incidents? Your denial seems odd.

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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    just for the record all I want to know is, do you stand with this comment...

    Slavery had nothing to do with racism. -- apdst

    Yes or no?
    If I can comment on this, one trick I used when taking multiple choice tests in high school was to eliminate any answer with words like "always," "never," "everything," and "nothing." So offhand I'd say the answer to this question is "No." But I would also say that the principal driver of slavery was (and is) economic. If you're going to treat a person as property, then the first order of business is to dehumanize him or portray him as being unworthy of being extended humane treatment. You do that by pointing out how he's different. So the African becomes little more than a monkey or baboon with subhuman intelligence, the girl sold into the sex trade becomes a "bitch" to get beaten and branded, and the conquering army calls the defeated girls who are sold into slavery "infidels," as ISIS is doing today in Syria and Iraq.
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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    If I can comment on this, one trick I used when taking multiple choice tests in high school was to eliminate any answer with words like "always," "never," "everything," and "nothing." So offhand I'd say the answer to this question is "No."
    And that is precisely why I chose to highlight the "never" part of the comment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah
    But I would also say that the principal driver of slavery was (and is) economic. If you're going to treat a person as property, then the first order of business is to dehumanize him or portray him as being unworthy of being extended humane treatment. You do that by pointing out how he's different. So the African becomes little more than a monkey or baboon with subhuman intelligence, the girl sold into the sex trade becomes a "bitch" to get beaten and branded, and the conquering army calls the defeated girls who are sold into slavery "infidels," as ISIS is doing today in Syria and Iraq.
    This exactly what I've been saying all along and I've said it multiple times in this thread. Slavery (US slavery) was economic in its purpose and racist in it's implementation. Yet here's grant is liking your posts after having attacked mine. Go figure.
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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    And that is precisely why I chose to highlight the "never" part of the comment.



    This exactly what I've been saying all along and I've said it multiple times in this thread. Slavery (US slavery) was economic in its purpose and racist in it's implementation. Yet here's grant is liking your posts after having attacked mine. Go figure.
    It's not hard to figure. You're claiming it's racism, Ahlevah understood it was economic.

    Although, if you were to read Democracy in America, you'd discover it was not good economics.

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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Somedays, I really wish people would check their sources before they started citing nutty revisionist websites:

    Michel Chossudovsky - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia







    Terry Glavin: Ottawa’s Gaddafi fans find their world crumbling | National Post



    You're using a "source" that is used by everyone from Stormfront to MotherJones to PrisonPlanet. You're not convincing anyone.
    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Slavery in medieval Europe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Internet History Sourcebooks Project

    Internet History Sourcebooks Project

    Slavery in the British Isles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Whatever your view of the source, slavery in Europe of Europeans by Europeans is well documented dating all the way back to the Roman Empire. While white European slaves in America are often called "indentured servants" now, at the time they were slaves.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Nothing to do with your link to a nutty conspiracy website.



    Nothing to do with your link to a nutty conspiracy website.



    Nothing to do with your link to a nutty conspiracy website.



    Nothing to do with your link to a nutty conspiracy website.



    Yes, and ALL of your links point to white slavery being an issue in the MIDDLE AGES. The fact that you posted a link to a revisionist website known for anti-semitic nonsense, well that just makes it laughable. Do you frequent a lot of revisionist websites mac?
    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Yes, they do have something to do with my link.



    The history of white slavery is a valid part of my point, and these links verify that it existed. Further, they refer to the period of time in the first link regarding approx 100,000 Irish slaves exported to the Americas.

    Do you deny that there were white, Irish slaves shipped to the Americas and sold there?
    So, gave up, huh? Typical.
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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    So, gave up, huh? Typical.
    No no, I question your interpretation of the facts given by a revisionist website. Hell, the authors make the effort to not compare black slavery to Irish indentured servitude and yet here you are doing exactly what the author is trying to not do.
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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Somedays, I really wish people would check their sources before they started citing nutty revisionist websites:

    Michel Chossudovsky - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia







    Terry Glavin: Ottawa’s Gaddafi fans find their world crumbling | National Post



    You're using a "source" that is used by everyone from Stormfront to MotherJones to PrisonPlanet. You're not convincing anyone.
    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Slavery in medieval Europe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Internet History Sourcebooks Project

    Internet History Sourcebooks Project

    Slavery in the British Isles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Whatever your view of the source, slavery in Europe of Europeans by Europeans is well documented dating all the way back to the Roman Empire. While white European slaves in America are often called "indentured servants" now, at the time they were slaves.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Nothing to do with your link to a nutty conspiracy website.



    Nothing to do with your link to a nutty conspiracy website.



    Nothing to do with your link to a nutty conspiracy website.



    Nothing to do with your link to a nutty conspiracy website.



    Yes, and ALL of your links point to white slavery being an issue in the MIDDLE AGES. The fact that you posted a link to a revisionist website known for anti-semitic nonsense, well that just makes it laughable. Do you frequent a lot of revisionist websites mac?
    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Yes, they do have something to do with my link.



    The history of white slavery is a valid part of my point, and these links verify that it existed. Further, they refer to the period of time in the first link regarding approx 100,000 Irish slaves exported to the Americas.

    Do you deny that there were white, Irish slaves shipped to the Americas and sold there?
    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No no, I question your interpretation of the facts given by a revisionist website. Hell, the authors make the effort to not compare black slavery to Irish indentured servitude and yet here you are doing exactly what the author is trying to not do.
    Ok, read the book. Listen to the quite respectable historians that the "questionable" website cited.

    There's no doubt that for centuries whites enslaved whites.

    So, again, do you deny that thousands of Irish were enslaved and sold in America?
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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Ok, read the book. Listen to the quite respectable historians that the "questionable" website cited.

    There's no doubt that for centuries whites enslaved whites.

    So, again, do you deny that thousands of Irish were enslaved and sold in America?
    You do realize there is a difference between people who for the most part sold themselves into slavery to pay off debts and people being taken by force and used as slaves? Yes?
    I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You do realize there is a difference between people who for the most part sold themselves into slavery to pay off debts and people being taken by force and used as slaves? Yes?
    Yeah, that's revisionism. There were thousands that were enslaved completely against their will. Further, most of those that entered an indentured servitude contract were never released from the contract. So, slavery of another name.

    Do you deny that thousands of Irish were enslaved and sold in America?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
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    Re: Sen. Landrieu's remarks on race anger Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Yeah, that's revisionism.
    You should know, you seem to use revisionist websites when it suits your weak arguments.

    There were thousands that were enslaved completely against their will.
    Indentured servant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    "puts his conditions to the emigrants in Dublin or some other Irish port. Those who can pay for their passage—usually about 100 or 80 [livres tournois]—arrive in America free to take any engagement that suits them. Those who cannot pay are carried at the expense of the shipowner, who in order to recoup his money, advertises on arrival that he has imported artisans, laborers and domestic servants and that he has agreed with them on his own account to hire their services for a period normally of three, four, or five years for men and women and 6 or 7 years for children."
    Further, most of those that entered an indentured servitude contract were never released from the contract. So, slavery of another name.

    Do you deny that thousands of Irish were enslaved and sold in America?
    Not only is your statement false, it's absolutely ridiculous and debunked:

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Foner: Give me liberty
    Indentures could not marry without the permission of their owner, were subject to physical punishment (like many young ordinary servants), and saw their obligation to labor enforced by the courts. To ensure uninterrupted work by the female servants, the law lengthened the term of their indenture if they became pregnant. But unlike slaves, servants were guaranteed to be eventually released from bondage. At the end of their term they received a payment known as "freedom dues" and become free members of society.
    Indentured Servants [ushistory.org]

    Servants whose contracts had expired typically received "freedom dues," loosely described as a quantity of corn and clothing. The 1705 statute was the first to explicitly mention this "good and laudable custom," and required that male servants, "upon their freedom," be supplied with ten bushels of corn, thirty shillings (or the like value in goods), and a musket worth at least twenty shillings. Women were entitled to fifteen bushels of corn and the equivalent of forty shillings.
    You're trying really hard to do what the book you didn't read is telling you not to do mac.
    I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

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